Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-22-2012 | 01:56 PM
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02-22-2012 | 01:57 PM
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02-22-2012 | 02:07 PM
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Glad this constructive engagement that DALPA is practicing with the company is working so well . Starting with TO'M's MOU that reset the look back on the AF/KLM JV significantly to the company's advantage. This was an MOU that clearly impacted pilot jobs at Delta.
All the company needs to do now is sign on just a few more code shares and the pilots can strike all they want and it will have little impact on the company. Checkmate DALPA.
Glad we have a forward thinking top notch strategic planning commitee.
Could you explain how this is bad for Delta pilots?
02-22-2012 | 02:10 PM
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No need to lose any sleep over the "donut-hole, crack-pipe smoking DPA supporters".
The entire group, including Carl on this forum, are in the perfect position. Let me explain.
1. Assuming the contract opener is shared with the pilot group, Carl will come in and state the DPA could've/would've done "better".
2. If the opener isn't shared, and the TA is less than what people think the D-ALPA might've been able to negotiate, again Carl will say the DPA could've/would've done better.
3. If the TA is adequate, in terms of what the pilot group has expressed they wanted, Carl will post........., yup you got it, the DPA could've done better.
I have a great idea. Instead of the DPA supporters always talking about what their "independent, in-house union" could do better, why don't they concentrate on even getting enough ballots (read: support from the pilot group) submitted so that the idea itself can be brought to an election?
The very fact that the DPA is still around, and hasn't offered any public support for our "current bargaining agent" shows Delta management how big of a "dis-unified group of buffoons we really are.
Again, Carl's position on this board, or the DPA thread, is a "win/win" situation. Just like the "Coward-In-Chief's" position we have in the White House. (I'd rather not get into the voting of 747 pilots at NWA to keep their pensions so that the junior guys could hit the street twice, but lets just say that he's not in it for the entire group.) What'd you and your group give up Carl? Some crew meals?
Anyway, bottom line, with one month until contract openers, I think our pilot group needs to appear a little more unified than it does, but what do I know?
GJ
No need to lose any sleep over the "donut-hole, crack-pipe smoking DPA supporters".
The entire group, including Carl on this forum, are in the perfect position. Let me explain.
1. Assuming the contract opener is shared with the pilot group, Carl will come in and state the DPA could've/would've done "better".
2. If the opener isn't shared, and the TA is less than what people think the D-ALPA might've been able to negotiate, again Carl will say the DPA could've/would've done better.
3. If the TA is adequate, in terms of what the pilot group has expressed they wanted, Carl will post........., yup you got it, the DPA could've done better.
I have a great idea. Instead of the DPA supporters always talking about what their "independent, in-house union" could do better, why don't they concentrate on even getting enough ballots (read: support from the pilot group) submitted so that the idea itself can be brought to an election?
The very fact that the DPA is still around, and hasn't offered any public support for our "current bargaining agent" shows Delta management how big of a "dis-unified group of buffoons we really are.
Again, Carl's position on this board, or the DPA thread, is a "win/win" situation. Just like the "Coward-In-Chief's" position we have in the White House. (I'd rather not get into the voting of 747 pilots at NWA to keep their pensions so that the junior guys could hit the street twice, but lets just say that he's not in it for the entire group.) What'd you and your group give up Carl? Some crew meals?
Anyway, bottom line, with one month until contract openers, I think our pilot group needs to appear a little more unified than it does, but what do I know?
GJ
I don't know Carl and so can't speak for him, but I appreciate the senior pilot who attempts to educate others on the failure of outsourcing and scope non-enforcement.
I will also go a step farther. Every DPA supporter WANTS to be a firm ALPA supporter. Yes, EVERY SINGLE ONE. Every pilot wants to be able to believe their collective bargaining agent has the absolute best interests of the pilot collective as the foremost concern. The problem is, they don't, or maybe they haven't is a better way to say it.
We all can be reasonable. Bankruptcy was an unreasonable time. The ensuing years have also changed the way many look at this job and our prospects with regard to it. We all want DAL to grow organically, we all want a great contract, we all want improvements in other areas too.
How to get there is really the issue. Personal attacks don't help either side of the discussion. There is little doubt DALPA is going to negotiate this contract. I hope they do an amazing job. If they don't, what will YOU say? You are predicting what Donut crack pipers will say, but what will you say?
Unity is critical going forward, the DPA website's existence has no effect on unity. We are all DAL pilots.
02-22-2012 | 02:18 PM
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Umm.... From the article you cited: "The agreements, recently approved by the Civil Aviation Administration of China, will allow both Chinese carriers to place their codes and flight numbers on Delta-operated flights between Seattle and Beijing. In addition, China Eastern will place its code and flight numbers on Delta-operated flights between Detroit and Beijing."
Could you explain how this is bad for Delta pilots?
Could you explain how this is bad for Delta pilots?
The airlines' agreement already allows China Eastern to codeshare on Delta's flight between Detroit and Shanghai; and allows Delta to codeshare on China Eastern-operated flights from New York and Los Angeles to Shanghai as well as China Southern's service between Los Angeles and Guangzhou.
But I'm guessing we don't have route authority for NY to Shanghai or LA to Shanghai, so I'm not sure it really hurts us.
02-22-2012 | 02:20 PM
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So why does the New York State pay notice that I'm required to acknowledge say I'll make $0.00 per flight hour?
02-22-2012 | 02:26 PM
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Like I said before, I'll let Carl respond in detail (since so much of your diatribe was aimed at him). But, in general terms, this is what I think of the vast majority of what you wrote:
02-22-2012 | 02:32 PM
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I don't know Carl and so can't speak for him, but I appreciate the senior pilot who attempts to educate others on the failure of outsourcing and scope non-enforcement.
I will also go a step farther. Every DPA supporter WANTS to be a firm ALPA supporter. Yes, EVERY SINGLE ONE. Every pilot wants to be able to believe their collective bargaining agent has the absolute best interests of the pilot collective as the foremost concern. The problem is, they don't, or maybe they haven't is a better way to say it.
We all can be reasonable. Bankruptcy was an unreasonable time. The ensuing years have also changed the way many look at this job and our prospects with regard to it. We all want DAL to grow organically, we all want a great contract, we all want improvements in other areas too.
How to get there is really the issue. Personal attacks don't help either side of the discussion. There is little doubt DALPA is going to negotiate this contract. I hope they do an amazing job. If they don't, what will YOU say? You are predicting what Donut crack pipers will say, but what will you say?
Unity is critical going forward, the DPA website's existence has no effect on unity. We are all DAL pilots.
I will also go a step farther. Every DPA supporter WANTS to be a firm ALPA supporter. Yes, EVERY SINGLE ONE. Every pilot wants to be able to believe their collective bargaining agent has the absolute best interests of the pilot collective as the foremost concern. The problem is, they don't, or maybe they haven't is a better way to say it.
We all can be reasonable. Bankruptcy was an unreasonable time. The ensuing years have also changed the way many look at this job and our prospects with regard to it. We all want DAL to grow organically, we all want a great contract, we all want improvements in other areas too.
How to get there is really the issue. Personal attacks don't help either side of the discussion. There is little doubt DALPA is going to negotiate this contract. I hope they do an amazing job. If they don't, what will YOU say? You are predicting what Donut crack pipers will say, but what will you say?
Unity is critical going forward, the DPA website's existence has no effect on unity. We are all DAL pilots.
One other point to add. IF management likes the idea of disunity in the pilot group (because it helps their side in the negotiation process), and if DPA causes disunity in the pilot group (which hurts our side), then wouldn't management want DPA to succeed? And if management wants DPA to succeed, why have they been so supportive of DALPA and unsupportive (even obstructive) of DPA?
02-22-2012 | 02:34 PM
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They will say the past administration (that didn't do so well or put some agreements in place that would have never passed MEMRAT if given the chance) was crap but we should put our full trust in ALPA administration X (the "next generation") that is gonna do some awesome things but we all need to forget about the recent past and have U N I T Y....no looking at other options! Wash-Rinse-Repeat. Some people never learn.
02-22-2012 | 02:52 PM
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Just talked to a "Regional base Manager" who attended a lounge show today and he said we are keeping the DC9s an extra year, but those pilots that were going to move from the DC9 to the incoming MD90s will now stay on the DC9s and now widebody FOs will be displaced (mainly in DTW off of 744 and 777) to staff those incoming planes. Some of those widebody FOs will probably hold Capt on those or the DC9s, but the rest could result in a trickle down. The bid should come in early March.
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