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One piece of AirTran he wants to jettison is that airline's 88 smaller Boeing 717 planes.
"We tried to look for a purpose for the 717s that was different than for the 737s," Mr. Kelly said. "We couldn't find one." But AirTran's leases on those planes don't begin expiring until 2017 and run to 2024. So Southwest has reached agreement with Boeing—from whom it leases the aircraft—to try to place the planes elsewhere. "If we can't find a home for them, we'll fly them and pay for them, or not fly them and pay for them," he said. Remember this, next time you hear SD or any other DL MGT talking head say; "We still haven't found a solution to the 100 seat problem..." |
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1141851)
Southwest Takes a Breather
With Fuel Costs Up, AirTran Purchase to Digest, Airline Holds Off on Expansion BY SUSAN CAREY AND DOUG CAMERON WSJ.com With fuel prices on the march again, Southwest Airlines Co. is taking a pause after a 41-year expansion that has taken it to the brink of the global industry's top 10 by traffic. A year ago, the airline and its rivals faced the worrisome prospect of jet fuel rising to $3.30 a gallon, but the industry successfully managed to pass on most of the increases through higher fares. "We prepared for $3.30, and now we're going to have to be prepared for $3.50," said Chief Executive Gary Kelly in an interview in Chicago, where he was attending an employee event at what is now the airline's busiest market. Southwest is keeping its aircraft fleet flat at around 700 planes until it reaches its investment-return target of 15%, though it will boost capacity by introducing larger planes and adding extra seats on existing aircraft. While demand remains robust, Mr. Kelly concedes that Southwest will have to look at "schedule adjustments" if it fails to secure cost savings and push through higher fares to counter fuel costs. The fuel challenge comes as Mr. Kelly continues to assimilate discounter AirTran Airways and face off against larger legacy airlines that restructured and then merged. The AirTran deal boosted Southwest's scale by around 20% in one swoop, and also gave it access for the first time to international markets. Southwest has been limited to domestic routes because of an outdated reservations system that Mr. Kelly says it is still "years away" from replacing, as well as union contracts that kept it focused on the Lower 48 states. Meanwhile, new rivals such as JetBlue Airways Corp. and Spirit Airlines Inc. have grown quickly into markets from the U.S. to Mexico and the Caribbean. But Mr. Kelly seems unhurried about shifting his focus from domestic routes, where he sees potential to add "hundreds of planes"—though not as many as 500—before it runs out of growth opportunities in the Lower 48. Services to Hawaii, Alaska, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean are all seen as on the horizon, but Mr. Kelly views the core domestic market as far from saturated. The big prize from AirTran was access to Atlanta, the busiest airport in the U.S., and it is also expanding its presence in the New York area, and eyeing further expansion in Washington, D.C. AirTran, which Southwest acquired last May, is expected to generate $400 million to $500 million in revenue synergies, with much of that sum coming from the smaller carrier's extensive network out of Atlanta. Mr. Kelly said the deal is adding 22 cities to the 72 that Southwest already serves and is moving the strictly domestic airline into some overseas destinations in Mexico and the Caribbean. It is one of several strategic cards in hand that Mr. Kelly hopes will boost revenue by nearly $500 million over the next few years. In April, the first of 100 larger, more fuel-efficient Boeing Co. 737-800s will arrive, and Southwest is also the launch customer for the revamped Max version of the airplane, part of a $19 billion order announced last December. The Max jets are due to start arriving in 2017, and though Boeing and rival Airbus have seen recent new aircraft programs running several years late, Mr. Kelly believes the U.S. company may even come in ahead of time after learning from past mistakes. Beyond that, Mr. Kelly said, Southwest will have opportunities to grow from Dallas Love Field in 2014 upon the expiration of a federal law that limited the carrier to serving only Texas and eight nearby states nonstop with flights from its home airport. Mr. Kelly said the company also has many opportunities to improve its labor productivity, although many of those potential changes would need to take place within the confines of union labor negotiations. One piece of AirTran he wants to jettison is that airline's 88 smaller Boeing 717 planes. "We tried to look for a purpose for the 717s that was different than for the 737s," Mr. Kelly said. "We couldn't find one." But AirTran's leases on those planes don't begin expiring until 2017 and run to 2024. So Southwest has reached agreement with Boeing—from whom it leases the aircraft—to try to place the planes elsewhere. "If we can't find a home for them, we'll fly them and pay for them, or not fly them and pay for them," he said. Write to Susan Carey at [email protected] and Doug Cameron at [email protected] That said, there is a lot of commonality between the 717 and the flat panel mod to the 88/90 that they are testing right now. If we do get these jets, they should come without the pilots since it would be an aircraft transaction with Boeing and LUV is hiring. Period. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1141846)
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Originally Posted by NYRANGERS
(Post 1141860)
I read that. It's a sad day in US aviation (has been for a while). I don't have the guts to leave, but I can see how it's so attractive for pilots. On a side (but related) note, It's scary to fly with so many guys that think a day one 30% or more raise is unrealistic.
Well, I know a lot of guys that are doing the math, and depending on what this contract and or openers result in, they will be looking beyond their current legacy airlines. It is a sad day. Reference you last post; I agree, I look at the fact that it will take me about 16-17 years and you 23 years to hit the half way mark on this seniority list. I am looking at my late 50's for a 767 left seat. I like you retire in the top 1% here. Stagnation over the last decade combined with the virtual network model and DCI have cost all of us progression. If the pay was in the ballpark of what a SWA/UPS or FDX FO makes on a 737 or comparable, many could stomach it, but making less than a 100K a year 15+ years after getting in this industry has pushed people away form this career. If the airlines expect to look overseas to find pilots due to the lack of interest in this country, they need to read this article, they are already seeing the shortage. Europeans are going to these places too. Emirates is set to double, China is in dire need of 15K pilots by 2015, and the list continues. It will 1) cost a significant amount of money to keep people, and 2) more money to have pilots enter the career field. Everything in this country has been inflating except airline ticket prices and airline labor wages. China offering 20K a month for a 320 pilot or 15K a month for a E-190 pilot is going to draw a lot away, as this article illustrates. |
Well, where's the big "Monday morning news" we were all waiting for?
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Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1141867)
Well, where's the big "Monday morning news" we were all waiting for?
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Originally Posted by Cubdrick
(Post 1141872)
New retirement option with medical benefits announced.
so much for "overstaffed" Cheers George |
Originally Posted by Cubdrick
(Post 1141872)
New retirement option with medical benefits announced for all but pilots.
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Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1141875)
not for pilots....
so much for "overstaffed" Cheers George |
Here is your big annoucement.....New airline to serve MSP.
New airline coming to MSP, name not yet disclosed | StarTribune.com Going to be announced on Wednesday. Most likely Spirit or JetBlue since they will be operating out of Terminal 2. |
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