Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-29-2012 | 12:48 PM
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But if it is discussed as "restoration" it should be discussed as "partial restoration far shy of the restoration percentages FA and other work groups have already achieved".
02-29-2012 | 12:49 PM
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Some statemens are so moronic, they deserve Carl's smack downs.
If the other employee groups want a raise, they are free to go through the collective bargaining process AND pay the dues out of their paychecks.
We PAY ALPA to represent the pilots and to look out for OUR interests.
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If the other employee groups want a raise, they are free to go through the collective bargaining process AND pay the dues out of their paychecks.
We PAY ALPA to represent the pilots and to look out for OUR interests.
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02-29-2012 | 12:51 PM
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Que defiant "no I'm not!" response......3 2 1
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02-29-2012 | 12:52 PM
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02-29-2012 | 12:52 PM
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(given - one number is adjusted for inflation and the other is not)
I think Sailing proves the point that pilots need to come up a bit more to catch up with the other work groups (or at least F/As) when it comes to restoration.
02-29-2012 | 12:52 PM
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02-29-2012 | 12:55 PM
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Your points are valid to an extent. Perception however is everything. Management will have to cough up some major money to the other employees after we sign if its a great contract.
We took the highest percentage paycut among all employee groups. Our guys had been furloughed as well for more than half a decade. So it is only fair to get that re-instated. There will always be other employee groups crying foul about pilots getting paid more. For them, I say go and join a flight school.
You can point to airlines with better contracts then Delta. Management is going to point to other examples. USAIR is actually are biggest competitor on a overall passenger basis. We compete on virtually ever Eastern Market. What are their payrates?
That's very convenient for the management to compare us to the lowest common denominator. RA does not tell his customers that they are being flown by industry 'average' professionals.
We took the highest percentage paycut among all employee groups. Our guys had been furloughed as well for more than half a decade. So it is only fair to get that re-instated. There will always be other employee groups crying foul about pilots getting paid more. For them, I say go and join a flight school.
You can point to airlines with better contracts then Delta. Management is going to point to other examples. USAIR is actually are biggest competitor on a overall passenger basis. We compete on virtually ever Eastern Market. What are their payrates?
That's very convenient for the management to compare us to the lowest common denominator. RA does not tell his customers that they are being flown by industry 'average' professionals.
02-29-2012 | 12:55 PM
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Some statemens are so moronic, they deserve Carl's smack downs.
If the other employee groups want a raise, they are free to go through the collective bargaining process AND pay the dues out of their paychecks.
We PAY ALPA to represent the pilots and to look out for OUR interests.
Nu
If the other employee groups want a raise, they are free to go through the collective bargaining process AND pay the dues out of their paychecks.
We PAY ALPA to represent the pilots and to look out for OUR interests.
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02-29-2012 | 12:56 PM
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And DL is one of the few airlines that actually accepts a resignation letter and removes you from furlough or leave status to take you off the list.
02-29-2012 | 01:00 PM
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Re: Displacements
What gets me is the company simultaneously planning displacements while not offering the early outs to pilots. Are we overstaffed or aren't we? Take your pick but don't offer me two competing narratives that aren't reconcilable.
Re: Transatlantic JV
Production balance is a good thing for a JV, no doubt. I'm glad RD was thinking about ways to capture downside protection in LOA16 for the AFKLM JV, something the AF JV previously didn't have. The general concept of MOU14 was sound, capturing a greater share of the AFKLM/AZ flying even if we added the new 3 year compliance window from April 2011 to March 2014. It's there so we'll learn to live with it. While we can't make AFKLM/AZ change their tune and the enforcement window is open, we sure can call out management on the fact that the spirit and trend of the AFKLM/AZ is totally being abused. There is a price for being taken advantage of, even if it is legal...
Cheers
George
Here's my graphic to illustrate the point. It's based of Delta's own slide #8 from Delta's Bank of America briefing 9 months ago. AFKLM/AZ numbers are extrapolated from the given JV Total and Delta share using a 50% production balance as the basis, with a lower production balance share the AFKLM disparity is amplified.
For context: RD quoted 6 to 7 Delta transatlantic roundtrip flights to gain 3% of the production balance.
What gets me is the company simultaneously planning displacements while not offering the early outs to pilots. Are we overstaffed or aren't we? Take your pick but don't offer me two competing narratives that aren't reconcilable.
Re: Transatlantic JV
Production balance is a good thing for a JV, no doubt. I'm glad RD was thinking about ways to capture downside protection in LOA16 for the AFKLM JV, something the AF JV previously didn't have. The general concept of MOU14 was sound, capturing a greater share of the AFKLM/AZ flying even if we added the new 3 year compliance window from April 2011 to March 2014. It's there so we'll learn to live with it. While we can't make AFKLM/AZ change their tune and the enforcement window is open, we sure can call out management on the fact that the spirit and trend of the AFKLM/AZ is totally being abused. There is a price for being taken advantage of, even if it is legal...
Cheers
George
Here's my graphic to illustrate the point. It's based of Delta's own slide #8 from Delta's Bank of America briefing 9 months ago. AFKLM/AZ numbers are extrapolated from the given JV Total and Delta share using a 50% production balance as the basis, with a lower production balance share the AFKLM disparity is amplified.
For context: RD quoted 6 to 7 Delta transatlantic roundtrip flights to gain 3% of the production balance.
His next claim was that we are way ahead in block hours as compared to the Atlantic JV partners to the tune of 68% done by Delta. Unbelievable the spin, but 100% true that this is what he spun it as....Still good for us despite lthe current disparity
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