Exactly man... I would gladly go to jail for that. I can't strike or go on a work action from my job at a private company! So much living in a free country, free from government control/manipulation!! It's high time to get rid of RLA. The airline managements have benefited way too long with this, unfairly and at our expense.

 

I'm sorry, but I saw with my own eyes LEC members in "the upper Midwest" lounge Q&A session wince and shake their heads 8 months ago when asked if we can expect a large raise. This was before the survey. That is called "managing expectations.". Those guys are supposed to take our wants to the negotiators, and then THEY are supposed to negotiate. That is how it is supposed to work. That is why people are angry and some push new bargaining units.

 

Why again wasn't KLM and AF included in the contract comparisons? I was told DALPA needed help with the Translation. Talk about "Lost in Translation.". They couldn't wait an extra week and hired someone? The KLM pilots generally speak great English, they could have done it. They do the same stuff we do across the Atlantic. Yes, there are some difference socially like mandatory vacation and healthcare, but denote that at the bottom. Really, there is no excuse. When airlines are left out, it stil seems to point at managing expectations.

 

I wonder if there is a European equivalent to airlinepilotforums and if so, would they share some data? Anyone know?

 

The DPA survey was valid in my case - I stated 30% up front in both the DPA survey and the DALPA survey, or my vote will be NO. The DPA Survey showed a median 37% increase.

If the company is committed to "industry standard" pay then the executives should set the example. Standard airline CEO pay seems to be about $3M annually.

2009 Airline CEO Compensation (AP data):-

1.*** Richard H. Anderson, Delta Air Lines – $8.4 million
2.*** Gerard J. Arpey, American Airlines – $4.7 million
3.*** William S. Ayer, Alaska Airlines – $4.3 million
4.*** Glenn F. Tilton, United Airlines – $3.9 million
5.** *Lawrence W. Kellner – former CEO, Continental Airlines – $3.3 million
****** *(Jeffery A. Smisek – current CEO, Continental Airlines – $0.0)
6.*** Douglas Parker, US Airways – $2.6 million
7.*** Robert L. Fornaro, Airtran Airways – $2.0 million
8.*** Mark B. Dunkerley, Hawaiian Airlines – $1.8 million
9.*** Gary C. Kelly,*Southwest Airlines – $1.6 million**
10.**David Barger, Jetblue Airways – $1.5 million

Now if you're going to make the argument that great talent costs more, then the same is true of the pilot group.

 

Someone just won a chicken dinner.

 

PPrune maybe?

 

We give em the full on GFE for less than a hooker cost 20 years ago.

 

Especially when the main reason they are doing so is to promote "keeping unions off the property" as rationale for their arguement to the NMB in the first place.

 

Before you can start class at Emirates, they need a signed letter from your company stating that you have tended your resignation.