But I am guessing that it is totally out of the question to ask the donuts to stand down until after this is over in the interest of "cohesion and consensus"...

And.... do you think we will be allowed to strike in the near (within 5 years) future? Does that dog hunt anymore?

 

It's not my job to worry about debt or fleet replacement. That's managment's job and they are well compensated for their job.

 

You are exactly right, however you cannot ignore that those problems exist.

 

But there was always "them" and eyes rolling around to see what was going to jump out next! Mgmt hated pilots and vice versa! You were on one side they were on the other. Drinking beers at the jet lag club is fun and enjoyable when sitting with people on your own team. But there was still "them". Not a north v. south issue here that I am in anyway getting involved in, I have not walked in a North guys shoes. That app was never filled out because of labor relations period (my choice).

What I dont want is a Paris Hilton kick dog representing me at the negotiating table, nor do I want a guy from the Hood showing up with his studded out pitbull either!

Keep Paris and her lil boyfriend at the mall. Lets go in with a trusted and well respected Labrador and just keep Homey and his pit in the hallway.....

Much better results I am sure!

(FTB pics please)

 

Republic Airways posts 4Q loss on accounting, fuel - Yahoo! Finance

"Republic has been shifting its operations — especially Frontier — toward bigger planes because they are more economical. Fuel costs are spread out over more passengers per plane. At Frontier, Republic got rid of 21 planes with 99 or fewer seats, and added 10 planes with 120 or more seats.

Lots of airlines are getting rid of smaller jets, so they aren't worth as much as they used to be, forcing Republic to write down the value of the smaller planes that it still has."

 

I wanted to retire at 46, but now I have to go to 65.

TEN

 

Your posts are usually better than this. Are you saying we don't know how to "man-up" when faced with similar circumstances?

When I look at how we fared just before, and just after BK, we did about the same. That is to say your end-result looked worse, but you kept your pension, as a consensus-building exercise I assume.

As you said yourself, above, except for C2K, your manning up yielded nothing exceptional. And C2K, of course, changed that. What teary-eyed non-manning-up group negotiated that? This group.

Let's not forget your strike. We were all proud of you, no doubt about it. Except you shouldn't factor out luck. It was explained to me by a North pilot you didn't strike so much as got locked-out, and the company was pre-packaged for sale (Pacific to AMR, I think it was). Planes were getting mothballed. The White House stepped in to let it be known the Pacific authorities were not going to get transferred, and threw some other big rock in management's puddle, and that was that.

This group, the entire Delta group, is just like most pilot groups. We will defend ourselves just as much, or just as hard, any group out there. Period. Want to man-up and build consensus? Start by not making broad, insulting assumptions about your brothers' motives. We're not motivated by fear: we're motivated by the desire to find what works best.

 

BTW, Hank was forced to quit because he told the CEO that DAL could afford to give the pilots a 72% pay raise and still be profitable.

TEN

 

Nor can we ignore the power of this company to generate cash.

 

T;
They already did.

Also, IMO, a contract extension sounds good in a vacume, but really bad in the real world. If we extended the contract with small gains, that would be the contract we'd have to live with for the extended NMB induced drawn out contract - especially if Mgmt gets their way on a future acquisition.

We are (roughly) one acquisition from being done building the network. After that happens, Mgmt doesn't care about "happy labor."