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Old 04-17-2012, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Thanks Finis! That solidifies some of the rumors that have been floating around. MIA/DFW had legs for sure.

Just a question for the analytical types: The 739 has decent legs, but what would we be doing with an etops version? It can't make it to europe can it?
I don't know about Europe but Hawaii, the Caribbean (sp?), Central and South America.

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Old 04-17-2012, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane View Post
I don't know about Europe but Hawaii, the Caribbean (sp?), Central and South America.

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Agreed, but why would any of them need etops? Most of that is airway flying and probobly none of it is 60 minute etops except HI.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:12 PM
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Personally, if I lived and died by what I read on here I'd consider kicking myself in the groin for being such a tool. I don't so I won't.
Ha! And you just called yourself an old guy this morning. I'm impressed with your flexibility!


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Old 04-17-2012, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by finis72 View Post
Right from Richard
-choice between A-319's and 717's, deal done by next quarter,still negotiating but price is currently too high.( my take-away, 717's when all said and done)
-Record year for profits, 1st qtr Rasm up 13.5 %
-Hiring 2013
-ETOPS all 737-900's
-Southwest not relevant in ATL until they fix problems
-100 to 150 50 seaters
-Have to have Regional feed, too expensive to do ourselves( don't shoot me, messenger only)
-Not interested in AA, too many problems. Would love DFW and MIA hubs if available
- take back Paris
-expand Heathrow operation

-Steady growth in Pacific
-Haneda/NRT future problem, already working the issue
-$ 900 million in interest this year, have to get debt down
-Positive about getting deal done with contract

On the two bold lines.

On AA, that would mean they do not want employees or will not mess with it until their contracts are thrown out. My guess is that what they want out of AMR is a moving target.

On CDG and LHR, sounds like there he may be exploring other options than AF/ Skyteam. Again, the bigger target than AMR proper. We can include many One World partners in that.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I suspect any airframe choice will not be announced until a contract agreement. The company will want to leverage any growth airframes in the negotiations.
I hope we ALL understand that there is no way to definitively characterize ANY airframe as a "growth" airframe. The reason is that we have no idea whether management will decide to park other aircraft the very next day.

There can be no leverage for "growth airframes" unless you are a hopeless sucker. Whether new or used, airframes depend on whether management wants to buy and keep them. Nothing we accept in a contract will change that management calculation.

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Old 04-17-2012, 04:30 PM
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On a side note, it appears that a DC-9 blew a motor in ATL today. Sounds like they left engine parts down the runway.
Saw it happen this afternoon. Apparently the ole -9 is a slow climber on one motor. Just imagine if that was Carl...the dreaded 3 engine approach
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:30 PM
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That's how I see it too, although the big variable will be how they want to do this and who will fly that how in question like you mentioned.

As for the bolded part, there are very little "penalties" to Delta with getting out of the RJ contracts other than having to continue to pay the leases they are already paying. What concerns me more than that are the "legal exposure" to DALPA/ALPA from doing something on our end to "harm" the ALPA RJ pilots. Apparently we can sit back and let the entire profession get hammered and that's cool but if we try and bring things up on our end someone's gonna sue.
The way out of that is for the members to vote NO on any TA that doesn't begin to reverse scope. If the members vote NO, it allows DALPA to say to management and the MEC's of our regional competitors: "Hey we did everything we could...but our members overruled us. Go sue them."

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Old 04-17-2012, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Thanks Finis! That solidifies some of the rumors that have been floating around. MIA/DFW had legs for sure.

Just a question for the analytical types: The 739 has decent legs, but what would we be doing with an etops version? It can't make it to europe can it?
Anything intra-Asia that could need ETOPS? GUM-NRT? SPN-NRT? ...and any other possible future routes in that region.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Thanks Finis! That solidifies some of the rumors that have been floating around. MIA/DFW had legs for sure.

Just a question for the analytical types: The 739 has decent legs, but what would we be doing with an etops version? It can't make it to europe can it?
HNL and the smaller islands.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
Thanks Finis! That solidifies some of the rumors that have been floating around. MIA/DFW had legs for sure.

Just a question for the analytical types: The 739 has decent legs, but what would we be doing with an etops version? It can't make it to europe can it?

According to Boeing it can just make London form JFK so a few other Western European airports are possible. It would probably work pretty good from KBOS. Not sure how winds would affect it.

West coast to Hawaii might be a better fit.

From the Boeing site:

Boeing: Commercial Airplanes - 737 - Range Charts

I will vouch for the 700s awesome range - I know guys who have ferried from Hawaii to JAX non-stop with re-dispatch and guys routinely do HNL to DFW, Ok actually NFW

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