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Columbia 04-24-2012 05:18 AM

Brazil's Gol, Delta in stake sale talks-report | Reuters

sinca3 04-24-2012 05:54 AM

Anyone ever get an answer on why or how to prevent DLnet and icrew logging you off. I've been having the problem for several days and this morning is the worst! When I can finally get logged on it logs me off after browsing only 2-3 pages. Can't get anything done...

CVG767A 04-24-2012 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1174801)
they are leaving out a detail or two. There was direct DTW-Amman, Jordon service on Royal Jordanian for a year or two, but I guess the market couldn't fill it. Now it goes DTW-Montreal-Amman.

Also, when we had JFK to AMM, we couldn't make it work, despite drawing from the New York area, DTW via an easy connection , and a pretty large contingent of US government contractors working in Iraq. I'd like to see AMM come back, but I'm not too hopeful

Jack Bauer 04-24-2012 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1174812)

Ever get the feeling between $150 million dollar refineries, and now potentially $800 million invested in another airline, Delta isn't going broke? In fact they have enough money to start paying a long overdue loan they received from their pilots? If you don't ask ALPA and just think for yourself for a moment, there is enough money being generated for some sizable raises while still remaining a healthy, thriving company.

iaflyer 04-24-2012 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1174833)
Also, when we had JFK to AMM, we couldn't make it work, despite drawing from the New York area, DTW via an easy connection , and a pretty large contingent of US government contractors working in Iraq. I'd like to see AMM come back, but I'm not too hopeful

I had forgotten about the AMM flight. One possible problem was the DTW-JFK was RJ central after the merger. There was an occasional DC9 or 320, but not very often.

If you compare DTW-Montreal (YUL)-AMM on a A340 (with an hour ground time in YUL, most likely stay in your seats while new pax/crew get on) to DTW-JFK (on a 50-76 seat RJ) walk off the RJ, up the stairs, walk from T2 to T3 in a third-world terminal, with a probably 2 hour ground time. (not including ATC delays) Then JFK-AMM on a B767 - the premium traffic most likely would take Royal Jordanian than DL.

So we could probably fill the 767 to AMM, but with lower paying traffic.

That's just one route, but add in all the other traffic. JFK may seem on paper to be a great connecting hub for Delta, but the reality is that wasn't very good in terms of service or ATC delays. Sure, we can fill the planes but at what price?

JetFlyer06 04-24-2012 06:42 AM

Anyone else having probs with Deltanet this morning? Can't even get to login page. 1040AM EDT

Denny Crane 04-24-2012 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by JetFlyer06 (Post 1174861)
Anyone else having probs with Deltanet this morning? Can't even get to login page. 1040AM EDT

Just signed in and it's working fine for me. 1055 EDT

Denny

JetFlyer06 04-24-2012 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1174871)
Just signed in and it's working fine for me. 1055 EDT

Denny

Hmm, still not working for me. I get a server not found error when I click the employee sign in link. Must be the hotel internet. :confused:

sailingfun 04-24-2012 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1174849)
I had forgotten about the AMM flight. One possible problem was the DTW-JFK was RJ central after the merger. There was an occasional DC9 or 320, but not very often.

If you compare DTW-Montreal (YUL)-AMM on a A340 (with an hour ground time in YUL, most likely stay in your seats while new pax/crew get on) to DTW-JFK (on a 50-76 seat RJ) walk off the RJ, up the stairs, walk from T2 to T3 in a third-world terminal, with a probably 2 hour ground time. (not including ATC delays) Then JFK-AMM on a B767 - the premium traffic most likely would take Royal Jordanian than DL.

So we could probably fill the 767 to AMM, but with lower paying traffic.

That's just one route, but add in all the other traffic. JFK may seem on paper to be a great connecting hub for Delta, but the reality is that wasn't very good in terms of service or ATC delays. Sure, we can fill the planes but at what price?

O&D traffic drives how successful a hub is. JFK is the O&D capital for international travel. Every time Delta has tried to move a flight from JFK to another hub it has failed completely. Yields and traffic drop like a stone. That is the reason for Delta's huge investment in the JFK infrastructure. It also functions perfect on a cost basis for anywhere on the eastcoast since most traffic passes over JFK going to Europe. Its a lot more expensive to fly a passenger to DTW or ATL to connect them to NYC then to fly to NYC and connect them to those destinations.

tsquare 04-24-2012 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1174877)
O&D traffic drives how successful a hub is. JFK is the O&D capital for international travel. Every time Delta has tried to move a flight from JFK to another hub it has failed completely. Yields and traffic drop like a stone. That is the reason for Delta's huge investment in the JFK infrastructure. It also functions perfect on a cost basis for anywhere on the eastcoast since most traffic passes over JFK going to Europe. Its a lot more expensive to fly a passenger to DTW or ATL to connect them to NYC then to fly to NYC and connect them to those destinations.

Interesting theory. So why is it then that in order to go from "the largest O&D capital for international travel" on Delta to anywhere south of the equator, one must either go thru ATL or fly another carrier? Too much competition?


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