Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Yeah, I carried a jumpseater from PNS to ATL a few years ago who was using us as his backup flight after he couldn't get on a 50 seat CRJ for weight restrictions. It was a beautiful, VFR day all over the Southeast, including both ATL and PNS.
FWIW... we've been ordered NOT to "crunch" numbers any more, due to the delay game. If the agent asks us if we can carry more folks, we are supposed to tell them to ask control.
Why? Probably because when we're short on time and trying to get folks on, many gate agents put the delay on crew after we attempt to accommodate them and the pax. Since the company wants to avoid delays, we just leave the answer to control. If the flight says weight restricted 45 pax / 1470 bags, that's probably what we'll go with at most.
Unfortunate that it has come to this to ensure we don't get dinged for performance, but that's the nature of the beast I suppose.
Why? Probably because when we're short on time and trying to get folks on, many gate agents put the delay on crew after we attempt to accommodate them and the pax. Since the company wants to avoid delays, we just leave the answer to control. If the flight says weight restricted 45 pax / 1470 bags, that's probably what we'll go with at most.
Unfortunate that it has come to this to ensure we don't get dinged for performance, but that's the nature of the beast I suppose.
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Another issue with the type was the flaps tending to fail extended on missed approaches due to contaminants fouling the torque drive. The FAA was requiring dispatch using fuel burns to the alternate with the flaps down. Wonder how all that worked out? Alternate fuel figured at flaps 40 would be a bunch or weight on a landing weight limited airplane.
I had also hear our scope seat restrictions worked out well from management's perspective because it made the jet less weight limited.
I had also hear our scope seat restrictions worked out well from management's perspective because it made the jet less weight limited.
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I wonder the same thing myself... I have never really understood how we leave pax behind on an oversold flight that isn't weight restricted. Agent will tell us "oh we've got 53 people trying to get on this flight", and we'll end up leaving with 44... where did the other 9 people go?
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A possible sign that the DAL might be hiring this year?
FltOps.com: Pilot Job Fairs
"Delta Air Lines
- Delta requests to meet a maximum of 275 pilots who meet its minimum qualifications, including the four-year college degree. Pilots must be active on airlineapps.com.
Rep: Capt. Arnie Kraby, Manager - Pilot Selection
Rep: Brian Bolt, Manager of Fleet Common Programs
Rep: Capt. Greg Mazyck & F/O Chris Jones
Rep: Beth Poole, Manager – Flying Operations
Rep: Dianna Carter, Coordinator - Flying Operations
FltOps.com: Pilot Job Fairs
"Delta Air Lines
- Delta requests to meet a maximum of 275 pilots who meet its minimum qualifications, including the four-year college degree. Pilots must be active on airlineapps.com.
Rep: Capt. Arnie Kraby, Manager - Pilot Selection
Rep: Brian Bolt, Manager of Fleet Common Programs
Rep: Capt. Greg Mazyck & F/O Chris Jones
Rep: Beth Poole, Manager – Flying Operations
Rep: Dianna Carter, Coordinator - Flying Operations
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
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I wonder the same thing myself... I have never really understood how we leave pax behind on an oversold flight that isn't weight restricted. Agent will tell us "oh we've got 53 people trying to get on this flight", and we'll end up leaving with 44... where did the other 9 people go?
+ nine * $400 "Delta Dollars" (hit to future revenue)
+ vouchers
+ maybe a hotel room
+ cost of revenue standby handling and potential for multi day snowball effect
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Costs the regional vendor does not pay
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
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A possible sign that the DAL might be hiring this year?
FltOps.com: Pilot Job Fairs
"Delta Air Lines
- Delta requests to meet a maximum of 275 pilots who meet its minimum qualifications, including the four-year college degree. Pilots must be active on airlineapps.com.
Rep: Capt. Arnie Kraby, Manager - Pilot Selection
Rep: Brian Bolt, Manager of Fleet Common Programs
Rep: Capt. Greg Mazyck & F/O Chris Jones
Rep: Beth Poole, Manager – Flying Operations
Rep: Dianna Carter, Coordinator - Flying Operations
FltOps.com: Pilot Job Fairs
"Delta Air Lines
- Delta requests to meet a maximum of 275 pilots who meet its minimum qualifications, including the four-year college degree. Pilots must be active on airlineapps.com.
Rep: Capt. Arnie Kraby, Manager - Pilot Selection
Rep: Brian Bolt, Manager of Fleet Common Programs
Rep: Capt. Greg Mazyck & F/O Chris Jones
Rep: Beth Poole, Manager – Flying Operations
Rep: Dianna Carter, Coordinator - Flying Operations
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Another issue with the type was the flaps tending to fail extended on missed approaches due to contaminants fouling the torque drive. The FAA was requiring dispatch using fuel burns to the alternate with the flaps down. Wonder how all that worked out? Alternate fuel figured at flaps 40 would be a bunch or weight on a landing weight limited airplane.
I had also hear our scope seat restrictions worked out well from management's perspective because it made the jet less weight limited.
I had also hear our scope seat restrictions worked out well from management's perspective because it made the jet less weight limited.
Also if you needed a t/o alternate a "flap alternate" must also be designated that allowed a diversion with the flaps stuck at T/O setting and land with at least 1500lbs fuel.
It really was not a big problem other than keeping it straight when you needed one.
Airbus Introduces “Sharklets” (Could I Resist Writing About A Sharklet?) - Flying With Fish
"The addition of Sharklets to the Airbus A320 wings should cut aircraft fuel burn by 3.5%"
Airbus Dresses Plane as Shark to Take Bite Out of Boeing Market - Businessweek
"The addition of Sharklets to the Airbus A320 wings should cut aircraft fuel burn by 3.5%"
Airbus Dresses Plane as Shark to Take Bite Out of Boeing Market - Businessweek
Attention former CRJ 50 seat drivers: Quick question. Have you ever heard of being weight restricted to the extent that you had to go out with 6 empty seats? The segment was PIT-ATL, today. Wife has a friend on a buddy pass (yeah, I know, we tried to talk her out of doing that) and the agent told her she couldn't get on the flight because of weight restrictions. I checked and the flight went out with 6 empty seats. What do you think? Legit?
At Comair, we still do the w&b ourselves, which can be a plus. I'm not sure how savvy they can get when it's done via ACARS.
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