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Old 08-20-2019, 10:26 AM
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850 needed, probably 1200 to be hired, 100 a month maybe by October is what some of the instructors were told. Although last year it was supposed to be much stronger than it was this year.
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Old 08-20-2019, 10:52 AM
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850 needed, probably 1200 to be hired, 100 a month maybe by October is what some of the instructors were told. Although last year it was supposed to be much stronger than it was this year.
I wonder if this forecast is pricing in a global and domestic recession. I could see them continuing hiring below attrition while negotiations continue, JVs further blossom and scope violations continue in perpetuity. They just have to be manned for summer 2020, and are showing their hand how they make the schedule happen (green slips, IA, sick harassment, MLOA pressure and blame the weather when necessary). At least it's predictable; guess I'll grab the GS when they work for me and be ready to fatigue out of dangerous rotations, reroutes and extensions.
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Old 08-20-2019, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey View Post
Who does one talk to at the schoolhouse to get this scandalous info? If it's an instructor, I find their info to be right 50% of the time.
Yeah, absolutemy....take my words with a large grain of salt. Don't make major life plans based on my words.... However ,in my experience the school house folks have been more accurate than the standard rumor mill.
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:16 PM
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Honestly the first indication of ramped up hiring will be when they start running larger interview classes. Even when hiring was going full bore there was normally a 6-8 week wait between interview and indoc. To my knowledge interview groups have still been in the 5-7 people range or less for quite some time. Once that jumps up to 10+ that'll be your indicator that classes are about to get yuuuuuge....
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gopher3 View Post
Well I guess trip construction is going to continue to deteriorate on the NBs. Not sure how they can say this with all the upcoming retirements. After this summer if they dont realize there is more than a financial cost to doing business with this strategy then i think all of their yippee kayee talk is complete BS. Of course it could all be a negotiation ploy on mgmts part too. I was never a big fan of Dickson but things sure have gone downhill since his departure. With JG and Capt, I mean Co-pilot, I mean Capt with LCA supervision RG in charge Im losing confidence rapidly.
Agree completely.

I can’t believe this is some management ploy during negotiations. Risking our customer goodwill and brand name just to stick it to the pilots would be pure folly. I honestly think upper management has no clue how badly things have been run this summer compared to recent years. The metrics look great, but the product is in decline.
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:26 PM
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Agree completely.

I can’t believe this is some management ploy during negotiations. Risking our customer goodwill and brand name just to stick it to the pilots would be pure folly. I honestly think upper management has no clue how badly things have been run this summer compared to recent years. The metrics look great, but the product is in decline.
Also agree.

That would be such an obviously dumb stratedgy even the B-School morons of the 90s wouldn't be doing it. Zero chance of success.

Oh look, we're trashing your QOL to make you sign a POS TA leaving in place the same gaps and loopholes that enable it in the first place, so sign that POS TA and we will hire to the point of being so fat no one will have to ever work on reserve etc.

Literally no one would fall for it and they would look obviously bad for trying.
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74 View Post
I wonder if this forecast is pricing in a global and domestic recession..
Global yes

domestic no
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:39 PM
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How long of a wait is it right now from CJO to class date?
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
850 needed, probably 1200 to be hired, 100 a month maybe by October is what some of the instructors were told. Although last year it was supposed to be much stronger than it was this year.
So wait...we need 850, but are hiring 1200? That makes a lot of sense.

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Old 08-21-2019, 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TurbineDriver View Post
So wait...we need 850, but are hiring 1200? That makes a lot of sense.

Allegedly we overhired 2014-2017 so it’s nothing new.


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