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09-26-2019, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
So we all agree that you CAN submit recs.
Will they help you get the interview? Yes/No/Maybe
Good luck!!
Will they help you get the interview? Yes/No/Maybe
Good luck!!
Simply put, your whole application is looked at including AirlineApps letter of recommendations “only” at the HR portion on the interview. Like someone else said, it may be a determining factor if they (2 pilots and HR rep) are on the fence.
09-26-2019, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
So your negotiating stance is: we don't want mandatory seat locks anymore. So give us extra vacation and voluntary seat locks? This is a joke, right?
1 year seat locks, fine (Though I wish new hires could still have a freebie). 18 months, ok. 2 years is pushing it and I think if the company wants longer seat locks then there may some of us who are open to an incentive but others who definitely are not. So why not let the interested parties work for a win-win. 3 year seat lock for an extra 14 ivd’s: save some training $ and put some $ into a pilots pocket. I got no problem with that.
09-26-2019, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE
So you agree with the company bypassing seniority? Because it's basically what happens and it will continue to happen to almost every pilot hired from now on.
It's very possible that I could be stuck on an airplane in a base that I don't want for almost 3 years depending how the AEs are released. All the while some brand new pilot is where I want to be. Will it happen? Probably not the way hiring is right now but you never know.
It's even worse when you consider the pay rate difference between aircraft second year. You could be forced on the 220 NYC and the next week a pilot junior to you could get the 7ER making $40 more an hour in a base you live in.
And don't talk about paying dues, some of us spent a decade and a half stuck at the regionals getting downgraded, bases closed, displaced, whipsawed, etc. We were in the only period in history where the majors didn't hire for almost 10 years.
It's very possible that I could be stuck on an airplane in a base that I don't want for almost 3 years depending how the AEs are released. All the while some brand new pilot is where I want to be. Will it happen? Probably not the way hiring is right now but you never know.
It's even worse when you consider the pay rate difference between aircraft second year. You could be forced on the 220 NYC and the next week a pilot junior to you could get the 7ER making $40 more an hour in a base you live in.
And don't talk about paying dues, some of us spent a decade and a half stuck at the regionals getting downgraded, bases closed, displaced, whipsawed, etc. We were in the only period in history where the majors didn't hire for almost 10 years.
09-26-2019, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
Ok. But what if I elect to AE to a new position and then the following AE has an opening on my higher paying dream airplane? Are we eliminating that seat lock too or are we only worried about new hires bypassing seniority?
Although no seat locks would be ideal, I can see the companies stance because you know there would be pilots that takes advantage of it and are always in training or whatnot.
09-26-2019, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
They (2 pilots and HR Rep) review this along with other paperwork, an hour before you do your HR portion of the interview. It does nothing for your actual “point scoring” for the email invite for the interview
Simply put, your whole application is looked at including AirlineApps letter of recommendations “only” at the HR portion on the interview. Like someone else said, it may be a determining factor if they (2 pilots and HR rep) are on the fence.
Simply put, your whole application is looked at including AirlineApps letter of recommendations “only” at the HR portion on the interview. Like someone else said, it may be a determining factor if they (2 pilots and HR rep) are on the fence.
09-26-2019, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE
So you agree with the company bypassing seniority? Because it's basically what happens and it will continue to happen to almost every pilot hired from now on.
It's very possible that I could be stuck on an airplane in a base that I don't want for almost 3 years depending how the AEs are released. All the while some brand new pilot is where I want to be. Will it happen? Probably not the way hiring is right now but you never know.
It's even worse when you consider the pay rate difference between aircraft second year. You could be forced on the 220 NYC and the next week a pilot junior to you could get the 7ER making $40 more an hour in a base you live in.
And don't talk about paying dues, some of us spent a decade and a half stuck at the regionals getting downgraded, bases closed, displaced, whipsawed, etc. We were in the only period in history where the majors didn't hire for almost 10 years.
It's very possible that I could be stuck on an airplane in a base that I don't want for almost 3 years depending how the AEs are released. All the while some brand new pilot is where I want to be. Will it happen? Probably not the way hiring is right now but you never know.
It's even worse when you consider the pay rate difference between aircraft second year. You could be forced on the 220 NYC and the next week a pilot junior to you could get the 7ER making $40 more an hour in a base you live in.
And don't talk about paying dues, some of us spent a decade and a half stuck at the regionals getting downgraded, bases closed, displaced, whipsawed, etc. We were in the only period in history where the majors didn't hire for almost 10 years.
There is no way to change new hire seat locks so that a new hire won't have the possibility of someone junior to them on an A/C they want. Why? Because the company needs to distribute new hire training.
You need to really contemplate your position, because if you really have previous airline experience you should have a GOOD understanding on how airline vacancies work and this kind of attitude does not bode well for your career. Being this unhappy as a new hire because you have to deal with one of the risks of being a new hire is not a good way to start.
09-27-2019, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Again, this is not correct. The person scoring the application DOES look at them and it can make a difference
09-27-2019, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
What is your source on this information, I have multiple sources inside pilot hiring and propel that say what your saying is not correct
09-27-2019, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourpaw
For those of us who still use paper logs, would typing up a 1 page summary sheet with times and important dates be above and beyond or is simply tabbing the books sufficient?
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