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Old 09-04-2013 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluto
Can't hold it with 5 1/2 years right now.
It's better to think of in terms of number of bodies you need below you to hold it than years. A guy with 5 1/2 years may only have 250 pilots junior to him (or roughly 2 percent of the list.)

Currently, the plug in SLC has about 625 below him (or roughly 5% of the list.) If we hire 500 pilots in a year, you're pretty close to holding it within a year.

Also depends on if the base shrinks or grows. A number of folks have been kicked out of the western bases in the last few bids - SLC plug had roughly 400 below him prior to the last bid.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Given the wording of the press release, I'd say it's most plausible that the 321s are mostly replacements and the 333s are mostly growth.

Here is what the press release states:

The 30 A321s will expand Delta's existing fleet of 126 A320-family domestic aircraft. Delta's first three A321s are scheduled for delivery in the first quarter of 2016, with 12 more due in that year. The remaining 15 jets are scheduled for 2017.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Here is what the press release states:

The 30 A321s will expand Delta's existing fleet of 126 A320-family domestic aircraft. Delta's first three A321s are scheduled for delivery in the first quarter of 2016, with 12 more due in that year. The remaining 15 jets are scheduled for 2017.
Read carefully- it does not state that the 321s won't be replacing 757s.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Read carefully- it does not state that the 321s won't be replacing 757s.
But we already know B757s are being parked. Do you, and keep in mind this is not an inflammatory question, think that they will park more 757s and 320s then the amount of 737s and 717s we are taking delivery of? We already know that they're planning on parking more then 30 B757s. But we are also accepting delivery of 100 B737-900s. And I know those pay less then a 757, but at least they're replacing the airframes.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
But we already know B757s are being parked. Do you, and keep in mind this is not an inflammatory question, think that they will park more 757s and 320s then the amount of 737s and 717s we are taking delivery of? We already know that they're planning on parking more then 30 B757s. But we are also accepting delivery of 100 B737-900s. And I know those pay less then a 757, but at least they're replacing the airframes.
You're putting words into my mouth. Be careful. I've stated over and over that the 321s are at least some growth airplanes. The 333s are probably all growth. There are a lot of older airframes that need to be replaced, though.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You're putting words into my mouth. Be careful. I've stated over and over that the 321s are at least some growth airplanes. The 333s are probably all growth. There are a lot of older airframes that need to be replaced, though.
What words did I put in your mouth? I simply asked a question.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 10:18 AM
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The 330s are all growth. The 321s will be a wait and see. This is straight from the base visit today.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Razorback flyer
It's better to think of in terms of number of bodies you need below you to hold it than years. A guy with 5 1/2 years may only have 250 pilots junior to him (or roughly 2 percent of the list.)

Currently, the plug in SLC has about 625 below him (or roughly 5% of the list.) If we hire 500 pilots in a year, you're pretty close to holding it within a year.

Also depends on if the base shrinks or grows. A number of folks have been kicked out of the western bases in the last few bids - SLC plug had roughly 400 below him prior to the last bid.
All good points. As someone who is in the booted group (I have more than 250 people junior to me) I was just venting a little frustration and giving the potential newhires an idea of the status quo.
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That's going to change real soon.
Tell me more! Are you talking about SLC specifically? Or West Coast bases in general? This is timely, based entirely on your info, I may buy a house today.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
The 330s are all growth. The 321s will be a wait and see. This is straight from the base visit today.
Thanks for sharing.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
The 330s are all growth. The 321s will be a wait and see. This is straight from the base visit today.
Hoping someone would ask for a total fleet number guess.

Word is, these are growth.

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