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06-26-2014 | 08:53 AM
#4381
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
One guy's dead zone matters as much to him as the other guy's does to him.
06-26-2014 | 08:55 AM
#4382
No longer cares
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From: 767er Captain
A Pinnacle pilot is 100% separate until that pilot gets a seniority number at DL and shows up on property. Their longevity will reset 100% as it should.
To get to this point, even for the extremely privlidged and lucky among us, takes a lot of work and a lot of years. Is it "fair" that a military or corporate pilot (or ALPA pilot at a United regional…or even United mainline) should have to start over if they come to DL even though a ramp agent transferred? Yes, it is.
Even if the "Sweet spot" of the group is 76 CA as you've said (and it very well may be, who knows) you're not going to find any support to retroactively grandfather regional pilots with their original DOH for anything. Trying to "me too" it off the rampers isn't going to work. Even if we did, so "new hire" classes are full of some guys at top scale pay and others at new hire pay? Even internal DL employees have to start over with pay when becomming pilots. There is no way regional FO's are going to walk into class day one top scale with 5 weeks vaca and 270 hours sick time.
To get to this point, even for the extremely privlidged and lucky among us, takes a lot of work and a lot of years. Is it "fair" that a military or corporate pilot (or ALPA pilot at a United regional…or even United mainline) should have to start over if they come to DL even though a ramp agent transferred? Yes, it is.
Even if the "Sweet spot" of the group is 76 CA as you've said (and it very well may be, who knows) you're not going to find any support to retroactively grandfather regional pilots with their original DOH for anything. Trying to "me too" it off the rampers isn't going to work. Even if we did, so "new hire" classes are full of some guys at top scale pay and others at new hire pay? Even internal DL employees have to start over with pay when becomming pilots. There is no way regional FO's are going to walk into class day one top scale with 5 weeks vaca and 270 hours sick time.
And I wonder why the 767 Captain would be the "Sweet spot".
Could it be that as recently as 2010, that fleet represented 35% of the airframes at DAL. Guess what will be when the 757s start going away? hint: (It ain't bigger)
06-26-2014 | 08:56 AM
#4383
No longer cares
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From: 767er Captain
06-26-2014 | 09:00 AM
#4384
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
06-26-2014 | 09:02 AM
#4385
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
06-26-2014 | 09:02 AM
#4386
:-)
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Longevity based pay. Start there.
And there is a difference between doing "the right thing", and throwing yourself on a grenade. We are not at war. We have all been dealt cards of varying nature. At this point I have to worry about rebuilding my retirement. Young guys are gonna have a great one unless they get fired. I am not gonna throw myself on the grenade of paying for RJ flying just so Mesabah can move over here and jump right into the left seat of a C series airplane. Sorry. If that is being selfish, then so be it. Why don't you ax him to throw himself on a grenade so that I can retire with something close to what I was promised when I got here 20+ years ago? Why doesn't all this big talk of unity work in that direction?
And there is a difference between doing "the right thing", and throwing yourself on a grenade. We are not at war. We have all been dealt cards of varying nature. At this point I have to worry about rebuilding my retirement. Young guys are gonna have a great one unless they get fired. I am not gonna throw myself on the grenade of paying for RJ flying just so Mesabah can move over here and jump right into the left seat of a C series airplane. Sorry. If that is being selfish, then so be it. Why don't you ax him to throw himself on a grenade so that I can retire with something close to what I was promised when I got here 20+ years ago? Why doesn't all this big talk of unity work in that direction?
06-26-2014 | 09:03 AM
#4387
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2010
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From: window seat
It will be interesting to watch not only the "pilot shortage" but the operational meltdown at the outsource level run its course and see what comes out the other side. Hopefully it will be a net positive and I'm in favor of us actively working towards that end.
06-26-2014 | 09:05 AM
#4389
Gets Weekends Off
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From: window seat
06-26-2014 | 09:06 AM
#4390
No longer cares
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From: 767er Captain
not really.........
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