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#3551
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I had the choice of both and picked the 73N. A gal in my class also picked the 7ER and we will be LAX based effective 2 Mar. So it took the same time to get LAX regardless of aircraft.
Going forward, who knows. My guess is the 73N as a growing fleet will be the better pick (I guess I'm biased) especially with the -900s coming on line. I flew a ship the other day that was 10 days post delivery.
Also, the junior guys on the 73N seem to hold a line fairly regularly since reserve goes senior (at least right now). The trip mix looks to be a fair amount of east-west/west-east coast redeyes and other domestic with some Mexico (mainly Cancun turns) mixed in there. There is the occasional central America layovers in Costa Rica and El Salvador.
My guess is the ER guys do lots of domestic plus a fair amount of Hawaii runs, which sound nice. The ER flight deck is huge, and probably more comfortable on the longer legs.
Going forward, who knows. My guess is the 73N as a growing fleet will be the better pick (I guess I'm biased) especially with the -900s coming on line. I flew a ship the other day that was 10 days post delivery.
Also, the junior guys on the 73N seem to hold a line fairly regularly since reserve goes senior (at least right now). The trip mix looks to be a fair amount of east-west/west-east coast redeyes and other domestic with some Mexico (mainly Cancun turns) mixed in there. There is the occasional central America layovers in Costa Rica and El Salvador.
My guess is the ER guys do lots of domestic plus a fair amount of Hawaii runs, which sound nice. The ER flight deck is huge, and probably more comfortable on the longer legs.
When considering LAX &ER vs 737 an important point to remember is the Red-eye distribution. Both fleets do red-eyes but the 737 has the vast majority of its red-eyes at the beginning of the rotation, with a few embedded red-eyes, but no trips end with a red-eye. The 7ER has red-eyes at the beginning, middle, and end of its rotations with a lot of trips finishing on a red-eye from Hawaii. For some guys this may not be a factor but some guys say it takes a day or two to recover from a red-eye and would rather recover on the road then wasting off days at home.
As the above poster correctly pointed out the 7ER has a very comfortable cockpit - the 737 is one of the worst (if not the very worst) in our whole fleet - it is terrible. You can move your seat back or recline your seat, just don't plan on doing both. Usually one Pilot has to put a suitcase in the first class closet which isn't that bad unless you are on a 900 and there is no first class closet. In this case you suitcase is behind first class in a closet and usually behind the FA suitcases because they often want to access their bags in flight.
Reserve on both Fleets is much more laid back then reserve at most other bases. No snow storms, ice storms, or thunder storms to disrupt operations. Very rarely actual IMC weather. This results in a lot less short notice ( we need you at the airport in 2 hours) short-calls although you obviously have to plan on it. Probably not much difference for a commuter who has to be local for short call but for guys who are local reserve is pretty good. Probably why many senior guys often bid reserve.
Scoop
#3552
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Feb - 57%
Mar - 60%
Apr - 67%
May - 74%
Jun - 82%
Jul - 90%
Aug - 97%
On the next AE, the Feb and Mar guys should be free from their seat lock, but they're sitting in a good position in the 717, so I wouldn't think many of those guys would move. The Jun/Jul/Aug hires, could go from bottom 20% in ATL to top 20% in NYC, but for guys that want to be in ATL, they may be more likely to stay where they are at, and change aircraft when their seat lock is up. I think most of the top 50% are still in 2 year seat locks so you won't see much movement there. My guess is that you won't see much movement on this AE, but you will start to see the most junior guys bid off the 717 in another few months.
#3553
New hire here as of last week. Thanks to all who have posted very useful information in this thread. Much appreciated.
One more question from a guy wanting to get to Salt Lake ASAP. What aircraft fly out of Salt Lake and what does seniority look like there?
Thanks.
One more question from a guy wanting to get to Salt Lake ASAP. What aircraft fly out of Salt Lake and what does seniority look like there?
Thanks.
#3554
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
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Going from Memory;
767/757
737
319/320
Not sure of seniority - probably not as senior as SEA/LAX but probably more senior than the other bases that have an 88 or 717 domicile.
Scoop
Last edited by Scoop; 02-15-2015 at 05:56 PM.
#3558
Here is the relative seniority in the ATL 717 category of the junior new hire for each month from 2014.
Feb - 57%
Mar - 60%
Apr - 67%
May - 74%
Jun - 82%
Jul - 90%
Aug - 97%
On the next AE, the Feb and Mar guys should be free from their seat lock, but they're sitting in a good position in the 717, so I wouldn't think many of those guys would move. The Jun/Jul/Aug hires, could go from bottom 20% in ATL to top 20% in NYC, but for guys that want to be in ATL, they may be more likely to stay where they are at, and change aircraft when their seat lock is up. I think most of the top 50% are still in 2 year seat locks so you won't see much movement there. My guess is that you won't see much movement on this AE, but you will start to see the most junior guys bid off the 717 in another few months.
Feb - 57%
Mar - 60%
Apr - 67%
May - 74%
Jun - 82%
Jul - 90%
Aug - 97%
On the next AE, the Feb and Mar guys should be free from their seat lock, but they're sitting in a good position in the 717, so I wouldn't think many of those guys would move. The Jun/Jul/Aug hires, could go from bottom 20% in ATL to top 20% in NYC, but for guys that want to be in ATL, they may be more likely to stay where they are at, and change aircraft when their seat lock is up. I think most of the top 50% are still in 2 year seat locks so you won't see much movement there. My guess is that you won't see much movement on this AE, but you will start to see the most junior guys bid off the 717 in another few months.
#3559
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,280
Generally base openings are done in the fall and winter. To busy in the spring and summer running the system at peak. I suspect you will see a bid in early fall.
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