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Old 04-23-2015 | 11:10 AM
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Thanks Hix.


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New hire IOE is 35 hours.
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Old 04-24-2015 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Long call til converted, but plan on being used, a lot, especially the next couple years (you'd be off reserve long before then anyway).

They can give 6 or 7 short calls a month and on most categories most of the time you will get short call or a trip. When you do "sit long call" it usually won't be for long before they give you something else. You will rarely start and then sit for days on long call on a reserve period. Very rarely these days.

The best you can count on is nothing on day one before 10am, although statistically its usually several hours later than that. You can try and snipe the best trips for you (yellow slipping) if you know you're going to fly anyway.

You'll hear legend and lore of guys with long "reserve beards" and some who have to go to the sim to get current, but these days you will fly and fly a lot in almost every category almost all of the time. Chilling out at home very often as a commuter on long call is mostly a pipe dream as well. Most long calls you will see are things like day 3 of 6 on call, or the last day of reserve after finishing a trip, etc. Unless you live in a select few markets, there is no way to commute on long call while being in compliance with the commuter clause as almost every city pair has blackout periods where you won't have 2 (or even 1) flights for a worst case scenario.

Don't plan on much long call for a while.
Thanks for the great info. I live 3 hours driving from Atlanta so I was wondering how much of it I could sit from home and how much time I would have to spend in Atlanta.
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Old 04-25-2015 | 03:01 PM
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Ok so I've heard from several unverifiable sources on the various forums that Delta is in fact slowing down hiring to deal with the backlog in training and to free up pilots to fly the busy summer schedule. Possibly as low as 40 per month.

If anyone in the pool gets a call giving them an indoc date, please post with your interview date so we can get an idea of the timeline.
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Old 04-25-2015 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 4fans
Ok so I've heard from several unverifiable sources on the various forums that Delta is in fact slowing down hiring to deal with the backlog in training and to free up pilots to fly the busy summer schedule. Possibly as low as 40 per month.

If anyone in the pool gets a call giving them an indoc date, please post with your interview date so we can get an idea of the timeline.

5/18 class is reported to be 60 strong. At least a couple of interview groups from the 1st and 2nd week of March got called for that class date over the last few days.
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Old 04-25-2015 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tee1Up
5/18 class is reported to be 60 strong. At least a couple of interview groups from the 1st and 2nd week of March got called for that class date over the last few days.
Sweet! That is good news. Keep it coming. I wish we knew how many were in the pool. Now that they are interviewing 16 a day who knows.
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Old 04-25-2015 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 4fans
Sweet! That is good news. Keep it coming. I wish we knew how many were in the pool. Now that they are interviewing 16 a day who knows.
See page 118 of this thread for how we did it last year (ie, tracking every CJO and class start in "the spreadsheet"). The pool was a 4-6 month wait and the spreadsheet was money. It all became moot when they basically tripled the training pipeline and emptied the pool seemingly overnight, but there appears to be some backing up again.
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Old 04-26-2015 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaneO
See page 118 of this thread for how we did it last year (ie, tracking every CJO and class start in "the spreadsheet"). The pool was a 4-6 month wait and the spreadsheet was money. It all became moot when they basically tripled the training pipeline and emptied the pool seemingly overnight, but there appears to be some backing up again.
see page 380. the spreadsheet is back but woefully lacking data. Send me the data and I will keep it up to date until the flood gates open again.
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Old 04-26-2015 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaneO
See page 118 of this thread for how we did it last year (ie, tracking every CJO and class start in "the spreadsheet"). The pool was a 4-6 month wait and the spreadsheet was money. It all became moot when they basically tripled the training pipeline and emptied the pool seemingly overnight, but there appears to be some backing up again.
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see page 380. the spreadsheet is back but woefully lacking data. Send me the data and I will keep it up to date until the flood gates open again.
You need to use post #s to locate posts. Page numbers vary with personal settings on posts/page. Everyone's page count is different.
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Old 04-26-2015 | 09:15 AM
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Thanks ExAF, didn't realize that. Looks like Permalink #1171-1180 is a good sampling--people reporting daily interview results, then Badger updating the spreadsheet. It takes a lot of grassroots info, but once you get it running it's phenomenal data for what is otherwise an information black hole. It's money for people trying to make "when do I leave my current job" decisions.
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Old 04-26-2015 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bergman
It will depend on which airplane you get of course, but seems like 60-90 days is a fair bet. A lot of people had a 2-3 week break between Indoc and training and will still finish in under 90. I talked with some of the 7ER guys who are waiting a month or two for IOE/TOE after finishing their sims (pipeline is full), which will put them way past 90 days but at least on flight pay after their final sim check.
Just for clarification, you are on 'training pay' (training salary) until you convert to 'flight pay'. Conversion occurs when records receives your sign-off for IOE. IOE is scheduled for a minimum of 35 hours so it could be any number of 'X-day trips' depending on your fleet and what the LCAs bid.

On the 7ER, conversion occurs after your sign-off for domestic IOE (35 hrs). After IOE, you complete TOE (Trans-Oceanic Experience)(now on flight pay, but not released to the line) which usually includes 2 rotations (trips) with North Atlantic Track routing. I don't know if TOE is always 2 rotations, or if they are always NAT rotations. I just know it's what I did. Once you complete TOE, you get the "OK" from training placed on your schedule and are released to the line.

Hope this helps your financial planning.
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