On a different note. Can someone chime in and answer a few pay questions for me. Can one assume that you will credit around a 1000hrs per year? So I look at hourly rates and figure out what I'm going to make a year based on 1000hrs. Or is there more too it, which I am assuming is the case. Just trying to see realistically what gross pay would be. I've heard stories of FOs making $200k or more, even at $140/hr for a senior FO the math doesn't work out. In any case I'm sure There is plenty I don't know.

Thanks in advance.


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It will actually be the opposite depending on how the company chooses to amend the Boeing purchase. The TA made little overall change in manning. There was give and take in that department, the net was a small negative change. Rising pay almost always also leads individual pilots to work less which would have had a impact.
If the E190's are canceled it removes a bunch of training from next Spring through the summer and drops our pilot needs substantially.
The big question is what does the company do now. I am told they have to make a quick decision on the airframes so hopefully we will know soon.

 

1000hrs=83hrs a month avg. equates to roughly 16 days a month. 900hrs=75hrs a month avg, equates to roughly 14 days a month.

Depending on airframe/seniority determines how much you can alter your schedule and/or pickup extra flying to get whatever number you want.

Profit sharing paid 16.xx % last year. it will likely be more this year.

You do get a few hrs a quarter for training CQ stuff, but it doesn't add much.

There are ways to fly double pay trips (green slips), but you have to be on the right fleet, base, seat, time of year, and most importantly..... like everything else, your seniority is the key factor.

Hope that helps.

 

Was it really a pay raise? It seemed like it was around a 2% pay cut when you take a look at the loss of profit sharing and all the other things in the new contract.

If I recall correctly AK said last week that if the TA were to pass it would require a large demand for pilots to fill all the new 190 slots. He said they would have to increase hiring to fill the 190. Not sure if or how this will change things now.

 

I voted no mostly on the sick issue. It was however a very real raise. 14.5% as of 1 Jan. The max reduction in profit sharing is 5.74% and that only if they hit 6 billion in PTEX. Don't forget that unlike other airlines profit sharing is pensionable. The loss in real dollars in just the next 6 months will be over 11% counting the raise, PS and DC money.
Yes there were potential losses in other areas but also both firm and potential gains in other sections.
The question now is will the pilots pull together for a better new TA or will those that seek to divide us cripple any possible efforts.

 

Those who seek to divide us will soon be voted out of office.
Once that is done we can move forward.

 

The only part of the TA that represented growth to mainline was 12 CRJ 50 seaters coming out of the system, years down the road, and replaced with a total of SIX (6) E190s. That's it. All it did was transfer an end state 2% of DCI block hours to mainline in the form of 50 seaters they can't staff anyway, and only half a dozen of them at that.

Everything else in the order book was either net network growth or replacement. If its replacement who cares. If its growth, we're getting it anyway. Unless they are going to punish themselves and the revenue machine by abandoning what they view as profitable capacity just to try and spank the pilot group for not agreeing to significant concessions 6 months early.

Six E190s a couple years from now (you can't even count all six until all 12 50 seaters were out at the end state) aren't going to move the needle for hiring.

While this entire thread is largely speculation, what we do know is the TA only slowly transferred 6 E190's worth of capacity over a couple of years (or around 5 E195's), and as soon as it was announced, hiring was cut by more than half. DYODD.

 

Greetings,
Sorry for the lengthy gap between updates. TA to vote on a so forth. I haven't heard anything about a 8/3 class other than 2 Compass guys left. My thoughts are that it's not going to happen. If someone gets that date then let me know. I have update the spreadsheet with what i hear and read on this forum. Once again, no crystal ball, tarot cards, chicken bones or a direct line to AK or AF. Just info that I glean from here. That said, here is my best estimate. Looks like around 40 on 8/17 finishing off the 4/21 hires. 4/22 and 23 on deck. Compass appears to be done and only limited number of SSP thoughout the remainder of the year. Keep sending me info. This spreadsheet is only as good as the input I receive from you kind people. Cheers,
Badger


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Thanks badger.
Yikes! They are gonna need to increase the class sizes in September, or the July CJOs won't get into indoc until 2016. How big are the class sizes normally in the Fall, and how many per month?

 

i think sep we will start to see ~100 a month again (hoping anyways)