DAL Poolie Info
10-02-2015, 06:44 AM
#5091
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 50
Originally Posted by mountainmojo
April 30 CJO. Class of Nov. 2.
Looking forward to seeing you all out on line. This forum and the spreadsheet has been sanity-saving over the last few months.
MM
Looking forward to seeing you all out on line. This forum and the spreadsheet has been sanity-saving over the last few months.
MM
Congrats on finding the stairs out of the pool!
Was that a call that went out today? Hope to hear a bunch more over the course of today and Monday.
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10-02-2015, 07:14 AM
#5092
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Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 72
Originally Posted by betterthanworkn
Congrats on finding the stairs out of the pool!
Was that a call that went out today? Hope to hear a bunch more over the course of today and Monday.
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Was that a call that went out today? Hope to hear a bunch more over the course of today and Monday.
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My blow-up ducky life preserver was starting to leak air.
10-02-2015, 07:36 AM
#5093
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 664
Originally Posted by Redbird611
Congratulations! You have a decision to make that many would envy. According to ALPA, in 2014 UAL hired 357 while DAL hired 964. This year I believe hiring has been fairly similar. Audries Aircraft Analysis projects that a pilot hired this year might reach 50 % seniority at UAL in 2025, while DAL is predicted at 2023. There are projected pilot retirements for each year through about 2030 on the airline profiles on Airline Pilot Central.
With that said, I think seniority progression will be pretty amazing at either airline, so I'd focus on which Company you think will be more successful or which has the better domiciles for your situation.
With that said, I think seniority progression will be pretty amazing at either airline, so I'd focus on which Company you think will be more successful or which has the better domiciles for your situation.
UAL gave me some nuggets at the interview. About 2500 retirements in 5, 4900 in 10, and virtually the entire seniority list exhausted in 20 years. I am thinking DAL probably has an average pilot age younger than UAL but I could be wrong. So while the progression will be comparable over the next 10-15 years, after that does one continue while another stagnates? Guess that is what I am trying to figure out.
10-02-2015, 07:42 AM
#5094
Barbie's PIMP
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: The Buck
Posts: 269
Originally Posted by webecheck
Hey man, thanks! I do feel blessed. I have looked at the retirements, but I think DAL data stops at 2027. What I wasn't sure of, was how much hiring had already happened and how that will affect your line number. The pool depth should be accounted for. I know UAL wants to hire 1600 over the next 2 years, and I thought they had hired about the same this yr, but its about a 9-10 week wait for a class...not 7-8 months like DAL.
UAL gave me some nuggets at the interview. About 2500 retirements in 5, 4900 in 10, and virtually the entire seniority list exhausted in 20 years. I am thinking DAL probably has an average pilot age younger than UAL but I could be wrong. So while the progression will be comparable over the next 10-15 years, after that does one continue while another stagnates? Guess that is what I am trying to figure out.
UAL gave me some nuggets at the interview. About 2500 retirements in 5, 4900 in 10, and virtually the entire seniority list exhausted in 20 years. I am thinking DAL probably has an average pilot age younger than UAL but I could be wrong. So while the progression will be comparable over the next 10-15 years, after that does one continue while another stagnates? Guess that is what I am trying to figure out.
I'd go with UAL, based solely on what UAL said.
10-02-2015, 07:52 AM
#5095
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 679
Originally Posted by webecheck
Hey man, thanks! I do feel blessed. I have looked at the retirements, but I think DAL data stops at 2027. What I wasn't sure of, was how much hiring had already happened and how that will affect your line number. The pool depth should be accounted for. I know UAL wants to hire 1600 over the next 2 years, and I thought they had hired about the same this yr, but its about a 9-10 week wait for a class...not 7-8 months like DAL.
UAL gave me some nuggets at the interview. About 2500 retirements in 5, 4900 in 10, and virtually the entire seniority list exhausted in 20 years. I am thinking DAL probably has an average pilot age younger than UAL but I could be wrong. So while the progression will be comparable over the next 10-15 years, after that does one continue while another stagnates? Guess that is what I am trying to figure out.
UAL gave me some nuggets at the interview. About 2500 retirements in 5, 4900 in 10, and virtually the entire seniority list exhausted in 20 years. I am thinking DAL probably has an average pilot age younger than UAL but I could be wrong. So while the progression will be comparable over the next 10-15 years, after that does one continue while another stagnates? Guess that is what I am trying to figure out.
Take the one that is where you want to live or will be the easiest commute. Living in base will give you a lot more flexibility and much more opportunity to make more money. I live half the way across the country from my domicile and there is now way I will commute in to pick up a turn.
10-02-2015, 08:00 AM
#5096
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 664
Originally Posted by Dodo
If they told you that, you know it's got to be true.
I'd go with UAL, based solely on what UAL said.
I'd go with UAL, based solely on what UAL said.
10-02-2015, 08:04 AM
#5097
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 664
Originally Posted by Ray Red
I live half the way across the country from my domicile and there is now way I will commute in to pick up a turn.
10-02-2015, 08:09 AM
#5098
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: everywhere but nowhere
Posts: 417
Originally Posted by webecheck
Did not think about this. Hmmm. So is it possible to pick up 1 or 2 day trips often? And does that get paid above the normal rate?
It's all seniority based and dependent on your base and equipment. NYC is most likely the easiest to pick up trips. If you choose to get to another base and be junior to be home-based or have an easier commute it will take longer to get the green slips. You can pick-up out of base but your priority is much lower so those are harder to get.
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10-02-2015, 09:46 AM
#5099
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 679
Originally Posted by webecheck
Did not think about this. Hmmm. So is it possible to pick up 1 or 2 day trips often? And does that get paid above the normal rate?
The take away would be that if you commute, your opportunities are much more limited for extra pay.
Another positive of living in base is whn you are senior enough you can bid reserve and be "call last" and not have to fly if you'd rather spend a few summer months with the kids, remodel a kitchen, etc.
10-02-2015, 09:56 AM
#5100
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A220 Capt
Posts: 37
Climb out dry off!!
Hey Poolies, I'm a 30 Apr CJO. 4000 SSN. I just got off the phone with Andy, He confirmed there'll be 20 total, 17 OTS In "my" 2 Nov. class. They will be running a 9 Nov class as well, composition TBD. Good luck to everybody treading water. It was a six-month wait on this end. PEACE.
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