DAL Poolie Info
10-02-2015 | 10:34 AM
#5101
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 50
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Hey Poolies, I'm a 30 Apr CJO. 4000 SSN. I just got off the phone with Andy, He confirmed there'll be 20 total, 17 OTS In "my" 2 Nov. class. They will be running a 9 Nov class as well, composition TBD. Good luck to everybody treading water. It was a six-month wait on this end. PEACE.
Did your group do a seniority list/ what number of the 11 APR30 CJO are you?
...or if more people are getting calls we can figure what the last entrant for Nov 2 is.
Congrats!
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10-02-2015 | 10:44 AM
#5103
Indoc! Finally....
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 152
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From: New Hire
I can confirm that last Tuesday (29 Sep) was 7 for 7 CJOs. 4 mil, 3 regionals. As I was leaving Pilot Selection on Wednesday (30 Sep) one of the regional guys was told he had to retake the MMPI2 again because he looked too 'clean'. Doc said "you didn't give me anything" but after we chatted I bet he kept his CJO.
And.....I can confirm we were told not to expect anything until the 2nd quarter of 2016. April? June? Capt Kraby didn't elaborate from what I can recall. I was probably too delirious from being given the CJO.
Anyway, glad to join the pool! :-)
Last edited by Twister; 10-02-2015 at 10:55 AM.
10-02-2015 | 12:35 PM
#5104
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 37
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From: A220 Capt
All 11 of our 30 April CJOs will be in this class. Tail end Charlie will be a 5 May guy.
10-02-2015 | 05:54 PM
#5105
Line Holder
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 637
Likes: 15
From: Stretch DC-9 Gear Slinger
Hey man, thanks! I do feel blessed. I have looked at the retirements, but I think DAL data stops at 2027. What I wasn't sure of, was how much hiring had already happened and how that will affect your line number. The pool depth should be accounted for. I know UAL wants to hire 1600 over the next 2 years, and I thought they had hired about the same this yr, but its about a 9-10 week wait for a class...not 7-8 months like DAL.
UAL gave me some nuggets at the interview. About 2500 retirements in 5, 4900 in 10, and virtually the entire seniority list exhausted in 20 years. I am thinking DAL probably has an average pilot age younger than UAL but I could be wrong. So while the progression will be comparable over the next 10-15 years, after that does one continue while another stagnates? Guess that is what I am trying to figure out.
UAL gave me some nuggets at the interview. About 2500 retirements in 5, 4900 in 10, and virtually the entire seniority list exhausted in 20 years. I am thinking DAL probably has an average pilot age younger than UAL but I could be wrong. So while the progression will be comparable over the next 10-15 years, after that does one continue while another stagnates? Guess that is what I am trying to figure out.
2016 217 2032 383
2017 279. 2033. 302
2018 394. 2034. 227
2019 489. 2035. 169
2020 595. 2036. 162
2021 786. 2037. 133
2022 842
2023 802
2024 797
2025 713
2026 608
2027 510
2028 493
2029 497
2030 523
After 2037 its around 100 but these numbers change because that's where most of the new hires fall.
10-03-2015 | 06:59 AM
#5106
Otto
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,806
Likes: 0
From: Turkish Pile Driver
Location, location, location.
Take the one that is where you want to live or will be the easiest commute. Living in base will give you a lot more flexibility and much more opportunity to make more money. I live half the way across the country from my domicile and there is now way I will commute in to pick up a turn.
Take the one that is where you want to live or will be the easiest commute. Living in base will give you a lot more flexibility and much more opportunity to make more money. I live half the way across the country from my domicile and there is now way I will commute in to pick up a turn.
Unless that location is ATL (or another airline's home hub) I wouldn't pick an airline based on domiciles. I wasn't here 20 years ago but have been told that aside from ATL, every single domicile that existed at DAL 20 years ago no longer exists. Domiciles change, wouldn't it stink to pick an airline only for a domicile that closes 5 years later and now you're at a company you really didn't want to work for and commuting or moving to another perishable domicile?
I have zero ties to ATL, don't really like the WX in ATL, and wouldn't have put ATL in my top 100 of places I want to live had you asked me to build a list. That said, I felt DAL was the best airline, I was lucky enough to get hired by DAL, and I moved the family to ATL since commuting sucks. Even with the pain of (hopefully) one last move ongoing, I'd do the same again.
That said, Ray Red is correct that as a commuter it is difficult at best and often impossible to do short notice flights for premium pay. It can be done -- I've had 2 $8k+ months on 1st year flight pay without ever blocking more than 60-70 hours but it requires more effort and a little bit of luck.
10-03-2015 | 07:10 AM
#5107
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,160
Likes: 27
*shrug*
Unless that location is ATL (or another airline's home hub) I wouldn't pick an airline based on domiciles. I wasn't here 20 years ago but have been told that aside from ATL, every single domicile that existed at DAL 20 years ago no longer exists. Domiciles change, wouldn't it stink to pick an airline only for a domicile that closes 5 years later and now you're at a company you really didn't want to work for and commuting or moving to another perishable domicile?
I have zero ties to ATL, don't really like the WX in ATL, and wouldn't have put ATL in my top 100 of places I want to live had you asked me to build a list. That said, I felt DAL was the best airline, I was lucky enough to get hired by DAL, and I moved the family to ATL since commuting sucks. Even with the pain of (hopefully) one last move ongoing, I'd do the same again.
That said, Ray Red is correct that as a commuter it is difficult at best and often impossible to do short notice flights for premium pay. It can be done -- I've had 2 $8k+ months on 1st year flight pay without ever blocking more than 60-70 hours but it requires more effort and a little bit of luck.
Unless that location is ATL (or another airline's home hub) I wouldn't pick an airline based on domiciles. I wasn't here 20 years ago but have been told that aside from ATL, every single domicile that existed at DAL 20 years ago no longer exists. Domiciles change, wouldn't it stink to pick an airline only for a domicile that closes 5 years later and now you're at a company you really didn't want to work for and commuting or moving to another perishable domicile?
I have zero ties to ATL, don't really like the WX in ATL, and wouldn't have put ATL in my top 100 of places I want to live had you asked me to build a list. That said, I felt DAL was the best airline, I was lucky enough to get hired by DAL, and I moved the family to ATL since commuting sucks. Even with the pain of (hopefully) one last move ongoing, I'd do the same again.
That said, Ray Red is correct that as a commuter it is difficult at best and often impossible to do short notice flights for premium pay. It can be done -- I've had 2 $8k+ months on 1st year flight pay without ever blocking more than 60-70 hours but it requires more effort and a little bit of luck.
10-03-2015 | 07:14 AM
#5108
Moderator
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,264
Likes: 105
From: DAL 330
*shrug*
Unless that location is ATL (or another airline's home hub) I wouldn't pick an airline based on domiciles. I wasn't here 20 years ago but have been told that aside from ATL, every single domicile that existed at DAL 20 years ago no longer exists. Domiciles change, wouldn't it stink to pick an airline only for a domicile that closes 5 years later and now you're at a company you really didn't want to work for and commuting or moving to another perishable domicile?
I have zero ties to ATL, don't really like the WX in ATL, and wouldn't have put ATL in my top 100 of places I want to live had you asked me to build a list. That said, I felt DAL was the best airline, I was lucky enough to get hired by DAL, and I moved the family to ATL since commuting sucks. Even with the pain of (hopefully) one last move ongoing, I'd do the same again.
That said, Ray Red is correct that as a commuter it is difficult at best and often impossible to do short notice flights for premium pay. It can be done -- I've had 2 $8k+ months on 1st year flight pay without ever blocking more than 60-70 hours but it requires more effort and a little bit of luck.
Unless that location is ATL (or another airline's home hub) I wouldn't pick an airline based on domiciles. I wasn't here 20 years ago but have been told that aside from ATL, every single domicile that existed at DAL 20 years ago no longer exists. Domiciles change, wouldn't it stink to pick an airline only for a domicile that closes 5 years later and now you're at a company you really didn't want to work for and commuting or moving to another perishable domicile?
I have zero ties to ATL, don't really like the WX in ATL, and wouldn't have put ATL in my top 100 of places I want to live had you asked me to build a list. That said, I felt DAL was the best airline, I was lucky enough to get hired by DAL, and I moved the family to ATL since commuting sucks. Even with the pain of (hopefully) one last move ongoing, I'd do the same again.
That said, Ray Red is correct that as a commuter it is difficult at best and often impossible to do short notice flights for premium pay. It can be done -- I've had 2 $8k+ months on 1st year flight pay without ever blocking more than 60-70 hours but it requires more effort and a little bit of luck.
Not quite every domicile but pretty bleak nonetheless. LAX, NY, CVG, and SLC were hubs back then plus the NW Hubs. CVG is definitely on borrowed time.
Off the top of my head these were Pilot domiciles that closed:
MEM
MCO
PDX
DFW
ORD
BOS
DFW
MIA
With that said I feel you are safe with one of the major "Four Corner" Hubs. NYC, ATL, LAX and SEA Plus DTW.
CVG is toast and although I feel MSP and SLC are safe for now remember what Yogi said, "Predictions are hard, especially about the future."
Scoop
10-03-2015 | 08:21 AM
#5109
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 5,816
Likes: 5
From: retired 767(dl)
*shrug*
Unless that location is ATL (or another airline's home hub) I wouldn't pick an airline based on domiciles. I wasn't here 20 years ago but have been told that aside from ATL, every single domicile that existed at DAL 20 years ago no longer exists. Domiciles change, wouldn't it stink to pick an airline only for a domicile that closes 5 years later and now you're at a company you really didn't want to work for and commuting or moving to another perishable domicile?
I have zero ties to ATL, don't really like the WX in ATL, and wouldn't have put ATL in my top 100 of places I want to live had you asked me to build a list. That said, I felt DAL was the best airline, I was lucky enough to get hired by DAL, and I moved the family to ATL since commuting sucks. Even with the pain of (hopefully) one last move ongoing, I'd do the same again.
That said, Ray Red is correct that as a commuter it is difficult at best and often impossible to do short notice flights for premium pay. It can be done -- I've had 2 $8k+ months on 1st year flight pay without ever blocking more than 60-70 hours but it requires more effort and a little bit of luck.
Unless that location is ATL (or another airline's home hub) I wouldn't pick an airline based on domiciles. I wasn't here 20 years ago but have been told that aside from ATL, every single domicile that existed at DAL 20 years ago no longer exists. Domiciles change, wouldn't it stink to pick an airline only for a domicile that closes 5 years later and now you're at a company you really didn't want to work for and commuting or moving to another perishable domicile?
I have zero ties to ATL, don't really like the WX in ATL, and wouldn't have put ATL in my top 100 of places I want to live had you asked me to build a list. That said, I felt DAL was the best airline, I was lucky enough to get hired by DAL, and I moved the family to ATL since commuting sucks. Even with the pain of (hopefully) one last move ongoing, I'd do the same again.
That said, Ray Red is correct that as a commuter it is difficult at best and often impossible to do short notice flights for premium pay. It can be done -- I've had 2 $8k+ months on 1st year flight pay without ever blocking more than 60-70 hours but it requires more effort and a little bit of luck.
10-03-2015 | 03:32 PM
#5110
On Reserve
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Location, location, location.
Take the one that is where you want to live or will be the easiest commute. Living in base will give you a lot more flexibility and much more opportunity to make more money. I live half the way across the country from my domicile and there is now way I will commute in to pick up a turn.
Take the one that is where you want to live or will be the easiest commute. Living in base will give you a lot more flexibility and much more opportunity to make more money. I live half the way across the country from my domicile and there is now way I will commute in to pick up a turn.
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