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Old 07-24-2015 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
To new hires recently off probation -- are you off once you do your 3rd chief pilot meeting and then tick off that 400th hour? Other than ALPA dues beginning, any concrete method to show you're off probation? Letter? Icrew sign-off? Ticker tape parade? Gold watch? Or just dues and captains no longer prompted to fill out reviews?

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Old 07-24-2015 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You are contractually off at the 400 hour point. For any new hire out there keep in mind that the standard for termination is not any different on or off probation. The company must have cause. Delta has one of the lowest if not the very lowest overall termination rate. In many years it's zero.
However, at the 400 hour point, you develop a tick in your left eye that remains with you for 30 years,,,,
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Old 07-24-2015 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 4fans
Overheard indoc instructor saying small classes through the end of the year. However, he did say they may possibly do more smaller classes instead of fewer big ones. Hallway talk so take it with a grain of salt.

Heard something similar as well from someone else. Here's hoping it's 20/wk 4 weeks a month!


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Old 07-24-2015 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RJcursed4life
What are these Chief Pilot meetings like?



How long is it Taking guys to reach 400 hours?



Thanks

Most are interviews to gauge our experiences. They go over some things like CQ bidding, commuting issues, or anything else you bring up. It's low key and relaxed.

I'll have my 400 by next Tuesday which will have taken me just over 5 months of line flying. Hired Dec '14 on the 73N. Been flying ever reserve day plus this month I had a line. I did YS a few high block trips to help my cause.


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Old 07-24-2015 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
To new hires recently off probation -- are you off once you do your 3rd chief pilot meeting and then tick off that 400th hour? Other than ALPA dues beginning, any concrete method to show you're off probation? Letter? Icrew sign-off? Ticker tape parade? Gold watch? Or just dues and captains no longer prompted to fill out reviews?
Mike, you should also get a pop-up on iCrew congratulating you for being over 400 hrs or 1 year, and telling you to schedule your last CP interview, if you haven't done it already.

Later on you'll get a congratulatory note from Mike Donatelli (or player to be named at a later date) and the dues start up automatically. Very efficient on that item.

At 1 year you'll get a note in your V-file from the CPO telling you to stop by to get your 1-year pin.
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Old 07-24-2015 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
I had my last CP visit like you refer to on Wednesday. I was told doesn't matter if you're airborne or on the ground, the moment you cross 400 you're off probation. The only other thing he said that takes place is some paperwork we never see happen.


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Not sure how you could do it on the ground since the 400 hours is just block time, but I get the point, thanks.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
You are contractually off at the 400 hour point. For any new hire out there keep in mind that the standard for termination is not any different on or off probation. The company must have cause. Delta has one of the lowest if not the very lowest overall termination rate. In many years it's zero.
In general I agree but there are specific circumstances where you want to be off probation. Pretty sure the standard for termination in training is different if you're on probation. While low threat and most of us get nothing but good reviews, nobody likes being graded on every single flight, that goes away once off probation (also pretty sure most captains don't like filling out the paperwork). You also get to vote on the contract once off probation.

Originally Posted by RJcursed4life
What are these Chief Pilot meetings like?

How long is it Taking guys to reach 400 hours?

Thanks
Mine weren't too bad, all the CPs were friendly and seemed genuinely happy about having new hires around. They went over all the reports your captains have been writing. All 3 devoted some time to sick leave. Had a couple oddball questions.

1. On my 1st meeting right after OE with the grand total of 2 trips under my belt, the CP talked to me about his concern with DAL pilots taxiing too slowly. That was really weird.

2. On my 2nd meeting I was asked about reserve in NYC (even though I already had a line). The CP was pretty out of touch on how difficult it was for somebody in a Kew Gardens crash pad to get to EWR. He had no idea how much it cost or how long it took. I got the feeling I should've just said 'reserve is awesome, no problems at all'. That said, as far as I can tell there have been no negative impacts to my job for having spoken the truth.

3. I know it probably wasn't their intent, but based on the significant amount of time dedicated to sick leave during these meetings, I'd bet many guys on probation are scared to use sick leave. I never got sick so it never came up, but unless I was at death's door I probably would've flown sick.

Time to 400 hours depends entirely on airframe and schedule. I'll make it to 400 hours 10 months from my date of hire. For me that was 3 months INDOC, sims, and OE, 2 months of reserve with very little flying, and 5 months flying the line.

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I heard you get this lamp. It must be Italian...
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Old 07-24-2015 | 06:18 AM
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"Not sure how you could do it on the ground since the 400 hours is just block time, but I get the point, thanks."

You log block time while taxiing outbound and inbound so, yes, you can cross 400 on the ground.


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Old 07-24-2015 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
"Not sure how you could do it on the ground since the 400 hours is just block time, but I get the point, thanks."

You log block time while taxiing outbound and inbound so, yes, you can cross 400 on the ground.


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True, thanks again. I guess since most of my trips are avg. daily credit I never think of taxi time as block.
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Old 07-24-2015 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 4fans
Overheard indoc instructor saying small classes through the end of the year. However, he did say they may possibly do more smaller classes instead of fewer big ones. Hallway talk so take it with a grain of salt.
Oh, I hope not!
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Old 07-24-2015 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 4fans
Overheard indoc instructor saying small classes through the end of the year. However, he did say they may possibly do more smaller classes instead of fewer big ones. Hallway talk so take it with a grain of salt.
Away the moral suppression team, away!!
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