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Old 07-22-2015, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by STLperfectos View Post
April 23rd CJO here...



Can someone explain what is the difference between a flow through, SSP, or OTS? Thanks.



Based on the spreadsheet I'm planning on the last class in September or about 5 months swimming.

I can give it a shot, although not being a Compass or Endeavor pilot I may be off on a few details.

The flow-through hires are coming from Compass, which had a flow agreement with Northwest prior to their merger with Delta. After the DL/NW merger the Compass flow was set to eventually end, but not until all the covered pilots have flowed to Delta. We are nearing the end of that now and it should conclude in November I believe. Up until then they'll have approximately 20 spots per month.

SSP hires are coming from Endeavor (formerly Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan), which was acquired by Delta out of bankruptcy. The Endeavor pilot contract was gutted in this deal, but a trade off was a Streamlined Selection Process (SSP) for interviews at Delta. They have a 1-day interview and after they receive a CJO they are metered from Endeavor at a certain rate, seemingly 12-15 or so per month. Originally this was only available to Endeavor Captains, but was extended to some F/Os and very recently to more F/Os. Most of the SSP folks interviewing now won't see class until late 2016 or beyond due to the metered hire rate. The latest extension of the program will require Endeavor F/Os to be Captains there for 2 years before getting a class date with Delta, so this program is very much a pilot retention measure for the wholly owned regional airline.

The rest of us are off-the-street (OTS) applicants, and we get class spots after the entitlement quotas are met. Smaller class sizes mean less spots for us, but that situation should improve after the Compass flow ends. Hopefully September class sizes are larger and things get moving again.

I'm an April 23rd CJO as well and I think late September is a good guess.
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Old 07-22-2015, 03:40 PM
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13May CJO and most of my hiring class got the "cleared to train" email today. Patiently waiting for the next step.
I'm a 26 May CJO. CTT received today as well.
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Old 07-23-2015, 05:31 AM
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MTSU, a few weeks ago, a LCA in our JS hinted at some substantial movement out of CVG on the next AE. He didn't say it was closing, but didn't sound good. He was kind of talking around it without really saying it was going to happen. That was before the TA got voted down, so could have changed. Not sure about when the next AE will be out- soon I think. Anyone know?
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Old 07-23-2015, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Poncef15c View Post
MTSU, a few weeks ago, a LCA in our JS hinted at some substantial movement out of CVG on the next AE. He didn't say it was closing, but didn't sound good. He was kind of talking around it without really saying it was going to happen. That was before the TA got voted down, so could have changed. Not sure about when the next AE will be out- soon I think. Anyone know?
I think it will be out in August. They are reworking their plans. If the TA had passed they were going to be bringing 717 time back east. They also I understand had a option on 5 more 717's they dropped since the 1.81 block hour ratio is not going into effect. In all its a pretty big change in domestic fleet planning. Perhaps good if your a LAX guy or bad if your a east coast guy.
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Old 07-23-2015, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I think it will be out in August. They are reworking their plans. If the TA had passed they were going to be bringing 717 time back east. They also I understand had a option on 5 more 717's they dropped since the 1.81 block hour ratio is not going into effect. In all its a pretty big change in domestic fleet planning. Perhaps good if your a LAX guy or bad if your a east coast guy.
On the July 15th conference call management stated that they are upgaging from 50 to 76 and from 76 to 100.

Are you saying that is not managements intent?
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Old 07-23-2015, 06:15 AM
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On the July 15th conference call management stated that they are upgaging from 50 to 76 and from 76 to 100.

Are you saying that is not managements intent?
Certainly their near term plans have changed. I was just emailed that the 5 additional 717's were picked up by Quantas. The E190's are rumored to have UAL interest.

Edit: Just looked and Quantas does not have 717's so not sure on the email.
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Old 07-23-2015, 06:39 AM
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Certainly their near term plans have changed. I was just emailed that the 5 additional 717's were picked up by Quantas. The E190's are rumored to have UAL interest.

Edit: Just looked and Quantas does not have 717's so not sure on the email.
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Old 07-23-2015, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Certainly their near term plans have changed. I was just emailed that the 5 additional 717's were picked up by Quantas. The E190's are rumored to have UAL interest.

Edit: Just looked and Quantas does not have 717's so not sure on the email.
Maybe these 5. The article says Delta got 3 of them. Article from yesterday.

https://www.austrianwings.info/2015/...on-boeing-717/
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Old 07-23-2015, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MTSUFlyer View Post
I'm a 26 May CJO. CTT received today as well.

For those asking about the cleared to train email, I think it's a bit irrelevant. My 12/9/14 class was composed of mostly late Oct/early Nov CJOs. We all received this email after we started class. In my experience, it's a bit of a formality and means nothing with regards to your class date.


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Old 07-23-2015, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy View Post
For those asking about the cleared to train email, I think it's a bit irrelevant. My 12/9/14 class was composed of mostly late Oct/early Nov CJOs. We all received this email after we started class. In my experience, it's a bit of a formality and means nothing with regards to your class date.


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I imagine it makes the CJO more like a JO, since all background screening is complete, which was the conditional part of the CJO, correct?
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