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Old 06-29-2015, 12:34 PM
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and we ALL know hourly rates are sacrosanct.....and have NEVER been reduced due to economic upheaval and unfair competition in the airline industry.

I can only come up with one word in response to this nonsensical logic....

INCONCIEVEABLE!
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Old 06-29-2015, 12:45 PM
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Since some pilots who would have been bought off will now fly something else, the net result could be a few more pilots on reserve.
So, this is why this affects 100% of the pilots. The FOs bidding lca lose. Followed by everyone else who benefited from them talking a dIve in schedule quality to get any lca trip. Next, regular FOs who had holidays and weekends off but now lose those thanks to fewer of those trips in the pool. Next are those who were close to good schedules. Now those are bad. Next barely holding a line, reserve.

And those trips that were wanted by an FO that were pulled, they end up in open time after the lca swaps or drops them.

But...

some compromise was needed to achieve the gains in this agreement. The gains affect all pilots on the seniority list regardless of seat position. Specifically, improved reroute language, rotation construction and trip mix were top priorities for the Atlanta pilots.
I bet if the survey had said how they plan to implement this oe language that the number one priority would've been to make it go away. I don't recall losing oe bidding a having been in the cards when the survey was sent to us.
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Old 06-29-2015, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
We are NOT in a weak bargaining position. The MEC is lying when they imply that we are.
That is the relevant topic here folks. Our own union is lying to us. This is just one small sample of the lying.

So ask yourself one simple question: Do you want to vote YES to a TA when our own union is lying to us about it?

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Old 06-29-2015, 01:20 PM
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I will say the biggest reason to vote for it is the fear of what happens if you vote no. That's what I'm seeing by fence sitters.

They're aiming right at age 55 guys and up with that.
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Old 06-29-2015, 01:59 PM
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I will say the biggest reason to vote for it is the fear of what happens if you vote no. That's what I'm seeing by fence sitters.

They're aiming right at age 55 guys and up with that.
63 and hell NO!
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Old 06-29-2015, 02:45 PM
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63 and hell NO!
A class act.
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Old 06-29-2015, 03:14 PM
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63 and hell NO!
And luckily you're not the only one but talked to a 55 year old very nervous about going down swa path no raise in his last 10 years. Doesn't like the contract at all but... no raise.

I think that's the focus. It is age all a majority of the airline and they sure have a lot of data probably to determine the key demographic.
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Old 06-29-2015, 03:38 PM
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And luckily you're not the only one but talked to a 55 year old very nervous about going down swa path no raise in his last 10 years. Doesn't like the contract at all but... no raise.

I think that's the focus. It is age all a majority of the airline and they sure have a lot of data probably to determine the key demographic.
2015 is the setup for 2018 and so on down the line.

This contract will ruin his last 10 years.

The longer ya got left, the more ya should oppose this TA.

Whether an old dog or just a pup, it's all down hill if this passes.
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Old 06-29-2015, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ View Post
and we ALL know hourly rates are sacrosanct.....and have NEVER been reduced due to economic upheaval and unfair competition in the airline industry.

I can only come up with one word in response to this nonsensical logic....

INCONCIEVEABLE!
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Old 06-29-2015, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ View Post

I can only come up with one word in response to this nonsensical logic....

INCONCIEVEABLE!
Originally Posted by KnotSoFast View Post
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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And if you can only come up with one word you should at least spell it correctly.
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