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08-30-2014, 09:56 AM
#1141
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Originally Posted by johnso29
That's a lot of luck, but ok. Sure. Every time you go on an Asia trip you're asking your body to do something it's not supposed to do. Same thing. Random naps here and there. Pilots taking sleeping pills to force rest. Somehow though, that's different.
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Carl
08-30-2014, 10:03 AM
#1142
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
I understand and agree with what you're saying except for the part above. My view of it is not that they are refusing to use it, but they are being true to their word with the pilots of our JV partners in not publishing the info in our contract comparisons. I think they are using the data when constructing a negotiating position.
If I were an AF pilot working with their union and I had agreed to provide you with the details of our PWA on the condition that you not include it in a published piece on contract comparisons and then you turned around and included a line under the heading of AF pilot contract for each section in that publication with a general statement like you previously referenced, I'd be ****ed and think you had in fact not kept your word with me. You saying that you didn't publish details and only used general statements would go over like a fart in church. I certainly would be inclined to not cooperate next time. But that's just me.
If I were an AF pilot working with their union and I had agreed to provide you with the details of our PWA on the condition that you not include it in a published piece on contract comparisons and then you turned around and included a line under the heading of AF pilot contract for each section in that publication with a general statement like you previously referenced, I'd be ****ed and think you had in fact not kept your word with me. You saying that you didn't publish details and only used general statements would go over like a fart in church. I certainly would be inclined to not cooperate next time. But that's just me.
Carl
08-30-2014, 10:14 AM
#1144
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Let's see if we can find some common ground. Regardless of whether or not one thinks CDOs are safe, I think we can all agree that they are a concession.
And we don't need to entertain concessions in C15.
And we don't need to entertain concessions in C15.
08-30-2014, 10:35 AM
#1145
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Let's see if we can find some common ground. Regardless of whether or not one thinks CDOs are safe, I think we can all agree that they are a concession.
And we don't need to entertain concessions in C15.
And we don't need to entertain concessions in C15.
08-30-2014, 10:37 AM
#1146
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Just because there hasn't been a mishap yet, doesn't mean they're being done "safely."
08-30-2014, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Your crash posts are way out of line.
Every one of these pilots thought they could manage flight operations during their circadian lows. They were wrong.
AIA DC-8. Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Crew survived.
Carl
08-30-2014, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The difference with the Asian trips is that you're rarely shooting an approach or making a takeoff during your circadian low when physiology overrules the best of intentions. With CDO's, that happens routinely.
Comair 5191. Lexington, KY.
Carl
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08-30-2014, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Takeoffs in the WOCL on domestic flights happen everyday Carl. Your handful of examples are just that. A handful of examples in a world of hundreds of thousands of flight per year. Try something different.
And I'll decide what to try. Thanks.
Carl
08-30-2014, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Let's see if we can find some common ground. Regardless of whether or not one thinks CDOs are safe, I think we can all agree that they are a concession.
And we don't need to entertain concessions in C15.
And we don't need to entertain concessions in C15.
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