Details on Delta TA
08-29-2014 | 06:36 PM
#1121
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Just about everybody who is familiar and/or has firsthand experience with CDO's knows that most pilots do not sleep during the day and that they plan on getting their sleep during the break between flights at the hotel on the CDO. Just because there's not some study or statistic to support it, doesn't mean it's not a fact.
08-29-2014 | 06:37 PM
#1122
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That's sure right Ed, but don't forget they are just as scrupulous in ignoring data that would highlight our leverage. Leaving out our JV foreign competitors in contract comparisons for example.
The question I have is why? There's no question they're doing it, but why is the key. Are they doing it because they really do have an accurate pulse of the pilot group majority and this is what Delta pilots want in their union? Or is there another reason our union behaves this way?
Carl
The question I have is why? There's no question they're doing it, but why is the key. Are they doing it because they really do have an accurate pulse of the pilot group majority and this is what Delta pilots want in their union? Or is there another reason our union behaves this way?
Carl
I didn't realize they had given permission this time around and that the Neg Com had ignored it. Where did you get that info? Or is that not entirely true?
08-30-2014 | 04:51 AM
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Did the AF or KLM pilot unions give permission this time around? I asked last time around about this issue and was told that both groups provided info to the MEC on the condition that it not be published. Much of their benefits structure was government controlled as I recall and I was told that complicated apples to apples comparisons as well.
I didn't realize they had given permission this time around and that the Neg Com had ignored it. Where did you get that info? Or is that not entirely true?
I didn't realize they had given permission this time around and that the Neg Com had ignored it. Where did you get that info? Or is that not entirely true?
Withholding information from constituents is not lying, but it is also not exactly upholding your duty of fair representation either.
08-30-2014 | 05:22 AM
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If you were the union and you had the official contract information, yet were asked not to publish it...okay. You are still the same union and you get the same information from open source channels (internet?). You can legally compare the two and publish the open source info with authority and legitimately be upholding the agreement not to publish the official information.
Withholding information from constituents is not lying, but it is also not exactly upholding your duty of fair representation either.
Withholding information from constituents is not lying, but it is also not exactly upholding your duty of fair representation either.
08-30-2014 | 05:23 AM
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Here's a typical cdo stretch, start Monday 1900 report, TVC cdo, get 7 hours of sleep, get home 0800. Don't sleep at all. Report Tuesday, 2045 report, ITH cdo, get 5 hours sleep, get home 0800, nap for 3 hours. Have the next two days off, and repeat this the entire month. Very rested, very safe.
You don't have a copy of the TA that produced LOA 14-01. There are significant differences between "CDOs" at your slave galley of an airline, and "SDPs" as defined by the TA.
C44 reps said they would have passed it except for a few items; they wanted a test period prior to allowing the program to become permanent, and they wanted SDPs to pay 8 hours (versus 7.5).
It looked like a good deal to me, and a much better use of my time than spending thirty hours in MKC. I hope they come back with the C44 suggestions attached plus a few other protections.
08-30-2014 | 06:03 AM
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You don't have a copy of the TA that produced LOA 14-01. There are significant differences between "CDOs" at your slave galley of an airline, and "SDPs" as defined by the TA.
C44 reps said they would have passed it except for a few items; they wanted a test period prior to allowing the program to become permanent, and they wanted SDPs to pay 8 hours (versus 7.5).
It looked like a good deal to me, and a much better use of my time than spending thirty hours in MKC. I hope they come back with the C44 suggestions attached plus a few other protections.
C44 reps said they would have passed it except for a few items; they wanted a test period prior to allowing the program to become permanent, and they wanted SDPs to pay 8 hours (versus 7.5).
It looked like a good deal to me, and a much better use of my time than spending thirty hours in MKC. I hope they come back with the C44 suggestions attached plus a few other protections.
So we'll get them. The company will have their problem solved and, oh by the way, even though we know why you want to bid these, don't fly fatigued (wink, wink, nod, nod).
08-30-2014 | 06:06 AM
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08-30-2014 | 06:49 AM
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We should immediately ground all night cargo operations. There is no possible way they can be done safely when pilots have to sleep at home before coming into work and then flying multiple legs at night with breaks.
08-30-2014 | 07:18 AM
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08-30-2014 | 07:31 AM
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