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09-06-2014 | 10:28 AM
#1571
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2009
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09-06-2014 | 10:29 AM
#1572
Gets Weekends Off
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Bingo!!!!!
A lot of questions lead to a similar result - less Pilots.
No credit for pre-assigned events? No thanks.
OOBWS ? No thanks.
Apply Max pick-up to the swap board etc? Absolutely!!
Look Guys - The long awaited movement is finally upon us. It is starting to accelerate. Lets save us from ourselves and not screw it up by enabling the flight Hos among us to fly to FAR limits every month, or at least lets not make it any easier to do so than it already is.
Think long and hard about every item that lowers the need for Pilots - Who knows what productivity concession will be the one delaying your move into your next seat.
Scoop
A lot of questions lead to a similar result - less Pilots.
No credit for pre-assigned events? No thanks.
OOBWS ? No thanks.
Apply Max pick-up to the swap board etc? Absolutely!!
Look Guys - The long awaited movement is finally upon us. It is starting to accelerate. Lets save us from ourselves and not screw it up by enabling the flight Hos among us to fly to FAR limits every month, or at least lets not make it any easier to do so than it already is.
Think long and hard about every item that lowers the need for Pilots - Who knows what productivity concession will be the one delaying your move into your next seat.
Scoop
09-06-2014 | 10:54 AM
#1573
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,487
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From: 747-400 Captain
Bingo!!!!!
A lot of questions lead to a similar result - less Pilots.
No credit for pre-assigned events? No thanks.
OOBWS ? No thanks.
Apply Max pick-up to the swap board etc? Absolutely!!
Look Guys - The long awaited movement is finally upon us. It is starting to accelerate. Lets save us from ourselves and not screw it up by enabling the flight Hos among us to fly to FAR limits every month, or at least lets not make it any easier to do so than it already is.
Think long and hard about every item that lowers the need for Pilots - Who knows what productivity concession will be the one delaying your move into your next seat.
Scoop
A lot of questions lead to a similar result - less Pilots.
No credit for pre-assigned events? No thanks.
OOBWS ? No thanks.
Apply Max pick-up to the swap board etc? Absolutely!!
Look Guys - The long awaited movement is finally upon us. It is starting to accelerate. Lets save us from ourselves and not screw it up by enabling the flight Hos among us to fly to FAR limits every month, or at least lets not make it any easier to do so than it already is.
Think long and hard about every item that lowers the need for Pilots - Who knows what productivity concession will be the one delaying your move into your next seat.
Scoop
Carl
09-06-2014 | 11:18 AM
#1574
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 6,971
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From: Kickin’ Back
IMO, allowing any kind of OOBWSing, OOBSing, etc. effects total manning for the airline in a negative way because it evens out the flying and management doesn't have to do a thing. I know there is a fine line in all of this with QOL but I believe the current system we have with OOBWSing and no OOBSing is a good compromise.
Denny
Edit: OOBWS------Out of Base White Slip
OOBS--------Out of Base Swap
09-06-2014 | 11:29 AM
#1575
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2009
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The OOBWS nose is already under the tent and I can kinda see why....The only problem I have with it is regular line guys who commute to another base (who cannot hold a regular line in the base they are OOBWSing to) and regularly drop their trips for the month then pick up trips where they live but cannot hold a regular(or possibly even reserve) line there. Sorry, I'm just not for this kind of schedule manipulation. If one wants to fly trips in a different base, bid that base.
IMO, allowing any kind of OOBWSing, OOBSing, etc. effects total manning for the airline in a negative way because it evens out the flying and management doesn't have to do a thing. I know there is a fine line in all of this with QOL but I believe the current system we have with OOBWSing and no OOBSing is a good compromise.
IMO, allowing any kind of OOBWSing, OOBSing, etc. effects total manning for the airline in a negative way because it evens out the flying and management doesn't have to do a thing. I know there is a fine line in all of this with QOL but I believe the current system we have with OOBWSing and no OOBSing is a good compromise.
I feel strongly that a base's flying belongs to the base, and is on loan to the pilot that rightfully bids it. If he doesn't fly it, for whatever reason, it belongs in open time. The company has already mechanisms, including OOBWS and DH for Reserves, to get around that, for a net negative staffing impact.
I think you and I strongly agree that we don't need to give them any more tools to reduce staffing.
09-06-2014 | 11:40 AM
#1576
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,039
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From: 7ERB
09-06-2014 | 12:14 PM
#1577
Da Hudge
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,473
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Thx Carl. Off the top of my head, the only thing I can think of is...it will cause guys/gals to pick up trips they might not have to exceed that 80 hour threshold thereby removing some trips that may have gone out at 2X pay.
I think the current overtime/green slip system favors pilots who bid reserve (This is because of 117.). I think a 1.5X over 80 would favor the regular line bidder and, IMO, it will probably cut down on the number of green slips awarded. Not saying either is better just that this is the way I see it based on my experience this year under 117.
Denny
I think the current overtime/green slip system favors pilots who bid reserve (This is because of 117.). I think a 1.5X over 80 would favor the regular line bidder and, IMO, it will probably cut down on the number of green slips awarded. Not saying either is better just that this is the way I see it based on my experience this year under 117.
Denny
1.5 over 80 would incentivize guys picking up more time (less people required) vs going to the GS trigger and GSing for 200%. The latter is far more credit for less flying (more money more time off).
09-06-2014 | 01:13 PM
#1578
Line Holder
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 510
Likes: 0
From: Work
Bingo!!!!!
A lot of questions lead to a similar result - less Pilots.
No credit for pre-assigned events? No thanks.
OOBWS ? No thanks.
Apply Max pick-up to the swap board etc? Absolutely!!
Look Guys - The long awaited movement is finally upon us. It is starting to accelerate. Lets save us from ourselves and not screw it up by enabling the flight Hos among us to fly to FAR limits every month, or at least lets not make it any easier to do so than it already is.
Think long and hard about every item that lowers the need for Pilots - Who knows what productivity concession will be the one delaying your move into your next seat.
Scoop
A lot of questions lead to a similar result - less Pilots.
No credit for pre-assigned events? No thanks.
OOBWS ? No thanks.
Apply Max pick-up to the swap board etc? Absolutely!!
Look Guys - The long awaited movement is finally upon us. It is starting to accelerate. Lets save us from ourselves and not screw it up by enabling the flight Hos among us to fly to FAR limits every month, or at least lets not make it any easier to do so than it already is.
Think long and hard about every item that lowers the need for Pilots - Who knows what productivity concession will be the one delaying your move into your next seat.
Scoop
09-06-2014 | 02:16 PM
#1579
The Brown Dot +1
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,775
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From: 777B
There were no teeth in the crackdown. The Tong aka Asian mafia still operates with impunity.
09-06-2014 | 02:24 PM
#1580
The Brown Dot +1
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,775
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From: 777B
The OOBWS nose is already under the tent and I can kinda see why....The only problem I have with it is regular line guys who commute to another base (who cannot hold a regular line in the base they are OOBWSing to) and regularly drop their trips for the month then pick up trips where they live but cannot hold a regular(or possibly even reserve) line there. Sorry, I'm just not for this kind of schedule manipulation. If one wants to fly trips in a different base, bid that base.
IMO, allowing any kind of OOBWSing, OOBSing, etc. effects total manning for the airline in a negative way because it evens out the flying and management doesn't have to do a thing. I know there is a fine line in all of this with QOL but I believe the current system we have with OOBWSing and no OOBSing is a good compromise.
Denny
Edit: OOBWS------Out of Base White Slip
OOBS--------Out of Base Swap
IMO, allowing any kind of OOBWSing, OOBSing, etc. effects total manning for the airline in a negative way because it evens out the flying and management doesn't have to do a thing. I know there is a fine line in all of this with QOL but I believe the current system we have with OOBWSing and no OOBSing is a good compromise.
Denny
Edit: OOBWS------Out of Base White Slip
OOBS--------Out of Base Swap
That doesn't necessarily say I think Ts idea of regional reserve coverage should un-cap reserve days in another base. I think for the once every 6 months I get bit by capped reserve days swap denial, it would really screw reserve guys and line holders QOL overall.
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