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09-17-2014, 09:59 AM
#1952
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I don't know. Good question. It shows up fine on my computer with the browser I normally use. However, when I use my Safari browser on the same computer it's not there. I thought I had figured out a way to post it. Guess not.
Bottom line: Our 2015 rates need about 19% increase to restore actual 2004 rates (for those of you in Rio Linda/Herndon, 2004 was 10 years ago. Just sayin'...
) To achieve 2004 rates plus an average of 2% per year inflation, the 2015 rates would need about a 50% increase. The charts simply show every category's specific rates under the above scenarios.
But it's okay, T. You can pretend I'm lying and the chart doesn't really exist.
Bottom line: Our 2015 rates need about 19% increase to restore actual 2004 rates (for those of you in Rio Linda/Herndon, 2004 was 10 years ago. Just sayin'...
) To achieve 2004 rates plus an average of 2% per year inflation, the 2015 rates would need about a 50% increase. The charts simply show every category's specific rates under the above scenarios.But it's okay, T. You can pretend I'm lying and the chart doesn't really exist.
09-17-2014, 10:03 AM
#1953
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Wow... news flash. Jerry finally gets it. Yet you still like that bigger pays more crapola....
Just how clueless do you think everybody else is Jerry?
And where's this mythical chart that you alluded to on the doughnut site. I saw nothing there other than the usual garbage.
Just how clueless do you think everybody else is Jerry?
And where's this mythical chart that you alluded to on the doughnut site. I saw nothing there other than the usual garbage.
WRT bigger. I think we should get $100 an hour 24/7 from the time we sign in until we finish the trip. It wasn't on the survey.
So let's live in the real world.
09-17-2014, 10:08 AM
#1954
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Yes. We've been over this, but I still think it was a good enough deal, that positioned us for where we are today, and on our current timeline.
Does voting yes on C2012 make me the enemy? Is anyone who disagrees with DPA the enemy?
I STRONGLY suggest you guys think hard about what you'd like to accomplish and find a constructive way to get there.
All I'm hearing from Jerry is what we can't let happen. Not what we must achieve. He's trying to play defense against the wrong opponent. Unless of course you guys are convinced that your fellow Delta pilots (me) are the enemy.
Does voting yes on C2012 make me the enemy? Is anyone who disagrees with DPA the enemy?
I STRONGLY suggest you guys think hard about what you'd like to accomplish and find a constructive way to get there.
All I'm hearing from Jerry is what we can't let happen. Not what we must achieve. He's trying to play defense against the wrong opponent. Unless of course you guys are convinced that your fellow Delta pilots (me) are the enemy.
But we must play defense too. The insiders still favor concessions. Beyond the 76 seat jets (huge mistake) in C2012 every single concession was not necessary. Those concessions cost us jobs and caused stagnation.
We cannot repeat those errors. Pay banding, longer freezes, trading profit sharing, etc.
In this environment concessions should never come up. Yet we have pilots and leaders who still think they are necessary. Unthinkable.
09-17-2014, 10:09 AM
#1955
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RA has told Wall Street over and over we are in the bag.
He's given that impression but are you in the bag?
Dragging out C2015 and going to war is not an option for him.
It's always an option. Maybe not one he likes, but it's always an option. So, IMO, there is a fair amount of leverage there.
This insane fleet strategy has him in a box as well. Our pilots average age is 53 plus. IMO they are angry and impatient.
I would hope we as a group are more resolved and resolute.
Management has their options and we do as well. And to be clear i'm not talking about any illegal activities. Informational picketing and working to rule would change the dynamic rapidly.
Yes we do have our options. The first one you mentioned is definitely available to us. The second one, IMO and judges who would rule on an injuction, is not. There has already been one injunction against the Delta Pilots for pretty much exactly this. We had 40 pilot taken hostage for this exact reason. Not sure, but I think there is at least one poster on this forum who has "first hand" experience with this.
Let's hope management chooses to recognize our billions in concessions and the value.we bring to the corporation.
He's given that impression but are you in the bag?
Dragging out C2015 and going to war is not an option for him.
It's always an option. Maybe not one he likes, but it's always an option. So, IMO, there is a fair amount of leverage there.
This insane fleet strategy has him in a box as well. Our pilots average age is 53 plus. IMO they are angry and impatient.
I would hope we as a group are more resolved and resolute.
Management has their options and we do as well. And to be clear i'm not talking about any illegal activities. Informational picketing and working to rule would change the dynamic rapidly.
Yes we do have our options. The first one you mentioned is definitely available to us. The second one, IMO and judges who would rule on an injuction, is not. There has already been one injunction against the Delta Pilots for pretty much exactly this. We had 40 pilot taken hostage for this exact reason. Not sure, but I think there is at least one poster on this forum who has "first hand" experience with this.
Let's hope management chooses to recognize our billions in concessions and the value.we bring to the corporation.
Denny
09-17-2014, 10:11 AM
#1956
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I don't know. Good question. It shows up fine on my computer with the browser I normally use. However, when I use my Safari browser on the same computer it's not there. I thought I had figured out a way to post it. Guess not.
Bottom line: Our 2015 rates need about 19% increase to restore actual 2004 rates (for those of you in Rio Linda/Herndon, 2004 was 10 years ago. Just sayin'...) To achieve 2004 rates plus an average of 2% per year inflation, the 2015 rates would need about a 50% increase. The charts simply show every category's specific rates under the above scenarios.
But it's okay, T. You can pretend I'm lying and the chart doesn't really exist.
Bottom line: Our 2015 rates need about 19% increase to restore actual 2004 rates (for those of you in Rio Linda/Herndon, 2004 was 10 years ago. Just sayin'...
) To achieve 2004 rates plus an average of 2% per year inflation, the 2015 rates would need about a 50% increase. The charts simply show every category's specific rates under the above scenarios.But it's okay, T. You can pretend I'm lying and the chart doesn't really exist.
So here ya go... I'll save you the trouble:
T is a surrender monkey that has accepted bankruptcy as a reset.
Feel better?
09-17-2014, 10:20 AM
#1958
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I don't know. Good question. It shows up fine on my computer with the browser I normally use. However, when I use my Safari browser on the same computer it's not there. I thought I had figured out a way to post it. Guess not.
Bottom line: Our 2015 rates need about 19% increase to restore actual 2004 rates (for those of you in Rio Linda/Herndon, 2004 was 10 years ago. Just sayin'...) To achieve 2004 rates plus an average of 2% per year inflation, the 2015 rates would need about a 50% increase. The charts simply show every category's specific rates under the above scenarios.
But it's okay, T. You can pretend I'm lying and the chart doesn't really exist.
Bottom line: Our 2015 rates need about 19% increase to restore actual 2004 rates (for those of you in Rio Linda/Herndon, 2004 was 10 years ago. Just sayin'...
) To achieve 2004 rates plus an average of 2% per year inflation, the 2015 rates would need about a 50% increase. The charts simply show every category's specific rates under the above scenarios.But it's okay, T. You can pretend I'm lying and the chart doesn't really exist.
OK.. so how are you guys gonna get me $339/hour? No goal statement/informational picketing crap (Cant wait to see the reception from John Q when you tell him we need $339/hour). Tactics. Let's hear it.
Oh... don't care what John Q thinks? lulz.
09-17-2014, 10:33 AM
#1959
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I couldn't care less whether the chart exists or not frankly. Your numbers are not realistic to be achieved in one shot. Like Jerry said. Let's live in the real world and move forward from where we are.
So here ya go... I'll save you the trouble:
T is a surrender monkey that has accepted bankruptcy as a reset.
Feel better?
So here ya go... I'll save you the trouble:
T is a surrender monkey that has accepted bankruptcy as a reset.
Feel better?
So you don't think my "numbers" are realistic. (BTW, I never said "in one shot" but last time I checked it's been 10 years.) Well I can assure you that the numbers are real.
Was a 42% cumulative pay cut in a little over a one year period "realistic?" We're currently at a 34% cut in buying power from where we were during most of your career during the 1980's, 1990's, and early 2000's. Are you gonna accept that as a new reality or not? If the answer is no, then you have to be realistic about what it takes to correct it. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways, T.
09-17-2014, 11:43 AM
#1960
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It sounds to me as though you're talking about trip hour pay. Would the $100 per hour apply to everyone equally, or is that your max rate?
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