Wasn't that covered in the question on pay structure? It asked about the current system, door pay, duty hour pay, trip hour pay, and monthly pay, or something like that.

It sounds to me as though you're talking about trip hour pay. Would the $100 per hour apply to everyone equally, or is that your max rate?

 

Longevity based. And you could also use the aircraft you are on based on polling our pilots and using their desires.

I don't think it is on the table or possible, but it would force management to be productive with our time. Also, it is such a large concession, it would have to come with serious increases in w-2. I haven't looked at my time away from base total in a long time. Perhaps $100/hr is too low.

Using our average time away from base, we would need to hit 2004 rates plus inflation. I.e. Narrow body captain 300 hours time away from base $330,000. So $110/hr.

 

I like the out of the box thinking, Jerry. But I don't think TAFB would ever fly, as that would include being paid full rates while sleeping in the hotel. What would make sense to me would be getting paid our hourly rate during the entire time we are on duty, just like pretty much every other hourly worker known to man.

Just playing around with some numbers...

Let's say the average duty day is 8 hours. Let's say the MD-88/90 Captain rate is $200/hour. If the average MD-88/90 Captain works 16 days per month, that would be $307,200 for the year.

The current contract 2015 rate for MD-88/89 Captain is $205.56. If the average MD-88/90 Captain is paid for 1,100 hours in a year (including vacation, sick, etc.), that translates to $226,116.

Back in 2004 (last year of C2K rates), I'm guessing the average Captain was getting paid for something in the neighborhood of 1,000 hours per year. The rate was approx. $240... so that translates to $240K annually. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $308K in 2015.

Conclusion: We could leave our pay rates essentially as they are today and have full restoration of our W2 buying power by adjusting the way we are paid to match the way just about every other hourly worker in this country is paid.

Just some food for thought...

 

Raise the min day to 8 hours, I'm a yes. And I'm bidding domestic A.

But really what you guys are batting around is trip rigs and duty rigs.

Productivity sits are the big killer domestically. Trip/duty rigs can fix that.

 

Working to rule is a illegal job action. Ask any 49er still around or the judge who issued a injunction. With the changes in the courts the last 15 years for DALPA to even drop a hint of that could result in enormous fines. The most recent work to rule campaign was USAIR. Might want to check how it worked for them.

 

To do a duty period based pay scale, you would have to have some way of accounting for long layovers. This is especially true in the international arena. I've had trips that have had a 96 hour layover.

Denny

 

8 hours minimum per day... just like Scambo said. If they choose to waste our time (and a valuable asset) sitting in a hotel for 30 hours, that's their choice.

 

However we do it, we need to make $50,000 more date of signing working 2 less days.

 

Raising our wages is raising our wages. The guys on the other side of the table are not stupid. No need for creative ways to raise our pay. They can do math. We're not going to sneak one past them if that's what you are trying to do.

 

There are so many ways to look at the gains we deserve in C2015.

IMO another way to gauge success is for us to increase our pay $50,000 per pilot date of signing and work 2 days less per month. Pay and quality of life.

We certainly took unnecessary hits to our pay, pension and quality of life. There is no excuse in this environment to not make these gains as a minimum for a yes vote.

This is all assuming no change in profit sharing.

The results so far on the DPA survey show 98% of our pilots want to keep profit sharing the same or increase it.

92% do not want to exchange profit sharing for hourly increases.

1235 responding and counting.

Jerry