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Old 10-08-2014 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by badflaps
My W-2 for 1989 was $142,000. (75-76)

That's the equivalent of 272,000. Not as far off from what we make as I thought it would be.
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Old 10-08-2014 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredFTS
If C2015 negotiations drag out a year or more, does the PS rates continue according to the C2012?
Yes it does. Under the RLA our contracts never "expire", they only become amendable.
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Old 10-08-2014 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredFTS
If C2015 negotiations drag out a year or more, does the PS rates continue according to the C2012?
Yes. Per the RLA, our contract does not expire. It "becomes amendable."

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Old 10-09-2014 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That's the equivalent of 272,000. Not as far off from what we make as I thought it would be.
Was that 89 payrate for the FO position?
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Old 10-09-2014 | 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
Was that 89 payrate for the FO position?
The B scale rate, or A scale?

The 12 year number?

Or...?
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Old 10-09-2014 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That's the equivalent of 272,000. Not as far off from what we make as I thought it would be.
Yeah, but how many hours did he fly? Based on the rates at the time, that seems kinda low.

His rate at the time was at least $158.21 (the 1986 rate). Adjusted for inflation to today, that would be $342.55. Assuming he only averaged 75 hours per month, that would be $308,295 for the year.

Current 767 Captain rate is $219.62. Assuming 87 hours per month (the DALPA stated average for a line holder), it's $229,283.28. Still gotta add profit sharing but it still falls way short of $308K. And his $308K (adjusted to today's dollars) back in 1989 wasn't contingent on how much profit Delta made. And he didn't have to fly anywhere near as many hours. At 87 hours per month, he would have made $357,622 in today's dollars.

At the 87 hour/month level, today's 767 Captain is at a $128K per year PAY CUT in buying power compared to a 767 Captain in the mid to late 1980's.
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Old 10-09-2014 | 06:38 AM
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AND...in 1986, he didn't have to -self fund- his retirement plan!

Oh, and in 1986, his medical premiums were ZERO, and the deductible was about $50!

Let's not forget all the other expensive little 'gotcha's' in today's contract, in addition to the lost wages.
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Old 10-09-2014 | 07:48 AM
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Math in public: 158. an hour x 75 is 11850. x 12 is $142,200. In the 80's you were not going to fly more than 75 hours, even if you were bagging MoRon's daughter.....
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Old 10-09-2014 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by badflaps
Math in public: 158. an hour x 75 is 11850. x 12 is $142,200. In the 80's you were not going to fly more than 75 hours, even if you were bagging MoRon's daughter.....
That's what played a big part in the termination of the retirement fund. FAE's went from a 150k to 200k range to 300 to 500k. Plan obligations soared almost overnight just as the performance of the plan tanked.
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Old 10-10-2014 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So here we are again at square 1. The question to you is this: How much do you think we need on day 1, and how long are you willing to wait to get it?
Sorry to quote myself.. but nobody has the guns to answer this question?
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