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#3841
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,418
My opinion:
1. Complete the survey.
2. Attend every LEC meeting you can.
3. Reading everything ALPA sends us (yes, even the stupid stuff)
4. Call, email, and corner your reps.
5. Ask questions.
6. Participate in "Call to Action" efforts.
7. Volunteer if you can.
8. Praise in public - Criticize in private.
9. Don't take it personally if your priorities don't always match the collective goal.
1. Complete the survey.
2. Attend every LEC meeting you can.
3. Reading everything ALPA sends us (yes, even the stupid stuff)
4. Call, email, and corner your reps.
5. Ask questions.
6. Participate in "Call to Action" efforts.
7. Volunteer if you can.
8. Praise in public - Criticize in private.
9. Don't take it personally if your priorities don't always match the collective goal.
#3842
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,753
Thanks for making my point!
How much MORE do most of us have to get to consider it acceptable?
2004 rates plus something for inflation, plus something for retirement.
Do you have any information that suggests the next contract will not have MORE? So far all I've heard is that there is some disagreement over how much MORE is acceptable.
3% twice isn't going to cut it this time!
Really?
How should Reserve be handled? Should seniority rule in all cases, or should assignments be spread out equally?
How much MORE do most of us have to get to consider it acceptable?
2004 rates plus something for inflation, plus something for retirement.
Do you have any information that suggests the next contract will not have MORE? So far all I've heard is that there is some disagreement over how much MORE is acceptable.
3% twice isn't going to cut it this time!
Really?
How should Reserve be handled? Should seniority rule in all cases, or should assignments be spread out equally?
#3843
Without the other sections of true value our W-2 is minimum 30% more than before. How's that? Profit sharing and other pay improvements count. We can't cost out profit sharing into the future so it doesn't count? That sounds like BS to me. So let's covert it all to pay rates up to $5B in profits. Would it count then? Let me guess. No?
Seems you're the selective one. Vacation pay improvements, reserve pay improvements, training pay improvements, 5+15 per day pay improvement, profit sharing. It ALL counts. It doesn't have to be all pay rate improvements. Everyone else knows they're making 30%+ more no matter how you slice it. (That's why they're so protective of their beloved profit sharing. Giddy in fact.)
Seems my facts are much more complete.
Hate to let the sun shine on your rainy day.
But hey, I'll take another 30% in the next contract. I'll take 40%. And I don't really care how they slice it.
Seems my facts are much more complete.
Hate to let the sun shine on your rainy day.
But hey, I'll take another 30% in the next contract. I'll take 40%. And I don't really care how they slice it.
Carl
#3844
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,418
Your back pedaling is stunning. Here's how you started this conversation:
Now you say you were referring to a now shut down forum called the BBQ forum. You have a credibility problem ace.
We get it dude, you've been coached that profit sharing is too risky so we need to monetize it now. Problem is our survey results were unanimous that profit sharing must not be touched. Thus your attempts at convincing us of our error in judgment are...suspicious.
You had no idea the number would be 30% or 19%. But you'd take 19% over 3.5 years even if self funded again. Sad.
Carl
Now you say you were referring to a now shut down forum called the BBQ forum. You have a credibility problem ace.
We get it dude, you've been coached that profit sharing is too risky so we need to monetize it now. Problem is our survey results were unanimous that profit sharing must not be touched. Thus your attempts at convincing us of our error in judgment are...suspicious.
You had no idea the number would be 30% or 19%. But you'd take 19% over 3.5 years even if self funded again. Sad.
Carl
Stop being so paranoid. I'm just a line pilot on my own. I just don't like slanted realities.
#3845
But then you know that by now.
#3846
And everyone also said we'd "never" have profits above $2.5B so all that extra profit sharing would not come to pass. And now that it has all the naysayers are shouting "Don't touch profit sharing!"
C2012 has returned 30%+ since we signed it but still people like you focus on 3-3 vice the net positives. So if we sign early and we get 10% July 1st did we get a 3% raise this year or 13%? Let me guess: only 3%.
C2012 has returned 30%+ since we signed it but still people like you focus on 3-3 vice the net positives. So if we sign early and we get 10% July 1st did we get a 3% raise this year or 13%? Let me guess: only 3%.
#3848
My opinion:
1. Complete the survey.
2. Attend every LEC meeting you can.
3. Reading everything ALPA sends us (yes, even the stupid stuff)
4. Call, email, and corner your reps.
5. Ask questions.
6. Participate in "Call to Action" efforts.
7. Volunteer if you can.
8. Praise in public - Criticize in private.
9. Don't take it personally if your priorities don't always match the collective goal.
1. Complete the survey.
2. Attend every LEC meeting you can.
3. Reading everything ALPA sends us (yes, even the stupid stuff)
4. Call, email, and corner your reps.
5. Ask questions.
6. Participate in "Call to Action" efforts.
7. Volunteer if you can.
8. Praise in public - Criticize in private.
9. Don't take it personally if your priorities don't always match the collective goal.
Ok Karnack. That's quite the utopian wish list from such a misguided preacher of the ALPA has never transgressed nor miscalculated dogma like yourself.
First, what about staying informed AND communicating with other pilots on this web board, chit chat, the lounges, on the line and on layover social excursions over adult beverages? No mention of it. Is all of our information supposed to come from your idyllic 2-4 from above only? Was it the hope that dues paying members would only avail information from 2-4 on your laundry list after the Dalpa forum was shuttered?
Second. Praise in public -Criticize in private. What I might deem and intention as constructive criticism (example: the NC and MEC chairs complete disregard for the policy manual and TA process in 2012) the ALPA acolyte will distort it and frequently perceive it as criticism. So if I am going to criticize ( your words) I need to do that in private????
Really ? Really !
Please. Do explain. This is going to be truly fascinating as well as largely preposterous.
Last edited by TheManager; 05-05-2015 at 09:34 PM.
#3849
The "majority of our pilot group" has no direct role in the process. Once it goes to the membership it's already a done deal. History says every agreement that goes to the pilot group will pass. Good or bad. You probably consider this validation. It's always the result of a full court sales job and fear campaign that emphasizes the positives and minimizes the negatives, those that are even mentioned.
I expect the next agreement will be no different. History tells us I am right.
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