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#3852
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So you would gladly monetize your profit sharing for the orgasmic "book rates". Only then would your, in fact, 30%+ increase in W-2 count?
That would be fine with me. However, I just look at my W-2 at the end of the year. Go back and look at your W-2 in 2011 and compare it to your W-2 in 2014. I did and mine is, in fact, 37.5% more. Same seat, same airplane, no green slips in either year.
That "pig" sure looks pretty.
#3854
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#3855
So I used an issue that causes a natural rift in the pilot group to illustrate that there are differing opinions regarding seniority. We address the issue collectively, even though we know many of us will - naturally - disagree on the solution.
"Direct role"? You mean like directly voting on whether or not the deal is acceptable? It's the final and most direct role. That's like saying the Supreme Court doesn't have a direct role in laws because it doesn't pass them or execute them.
Once it goes to the membership it's already a done deal. History says every agreement that goes to the pilot group will pass. Good or bad. You probably consider this validation. It's always the result of a full court sales job and fear campaign that emphasizes the positives and minimizes the negatives, those that are even mentioned.
I expect the next agreement will be no different. History tells us I am right.
I expect the next agreement will be no different. History tells us I am right.
#3856
Straight QOL, homie
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
From yesterday's MEC meeting notes:
That's a far cry from the "historic"'contract Donatelli pledged to deliver.
It sounds like...wait for it....
We'll get 'em next time!!
..."We have an opportunity to cement gains and put into motion the kind of long-term, upward trajectory that our pilots have told us so many times they desire; to put the keystone in the bridge of “continued contract recovery” we have been working toward for so many years...."
It sounds like...wait for it....
We'll get 'em next time!!
#3857
I assume that's what you listed on your survey. What if that's not what most of us would consider acceptable? What if our MEC has input that shows only 15-20% of us consider that minimally "acceptable"?
My theory is that our pilot group has gotten so large and diversified in priorities that it is impossible to determine overwhelming consensus on many issues.
That's what I put on my survey, too! Let's see if our (your's and mine) unanimous opinion on that is shared by the pilots that are 25 years younger than us, and sitting Reserve in the right seat. Their input and ratification vote counts just as much as your's and mine.
Simple! Everybody listen up…Timbo has settled the issue once and for all! 
I know you get my point. You don't have to agree with it, which is…I guess…the point.
My theory is that our pilot group has gotten so large and diversified in priorities that it is impossible to determine overwhelming consensus on many issues.
That's what I put on my survey, too! Let's see if our (your's and mine) unanimous opinion on that is shared by the pilots that are 25 years younger than us, and sitting Reserve in the right seat. Their input and ratification vote counts just as much as your's and mine.

I know you get my point. You don't have to agree with it, which is…I guess…the point.
#3858
Runs with scissors
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Karnak, I've asked many times, of many people, but have never gotten an answer:
Why are we NOT using the same strategy we used for C2K
Why not "Restore the Profession" right now? (I've still got my tie tack)
In light of the fact that to Save Delta, we gave up historic pay cuts, QOL work rules (PBS) and losses in benefits and retirements, why are we not DEMANDING to be restored, now that the industry has consolidated, and every Major is making Historic Profits?
How much more money does Delta have to earn before we DEMAND to be restored to our pre-bankruptcy pay/benefits? Is $4.5 Billion not enough? Is $6 Billion not enough? How about $10 Billion, still too little?
Why won't our MEC even address how much of those profits came directly from OUR pay/benefit cuts?
The MEC acts as if the Lost Decade never even happened. WHY?
Why are we NOT using the same strategy we used for C2K
Why not "Restore the Profession" right now? (I've still got my tie tack)
In light of the fact that to Save Delta, we gave up historic pay cuts, QOL work rules (PBS) and losses in benefits and retirements, why are we not DEMANDING to be restored, now that the industry has consolidated, and every Major is making Historic Profits?
How much more money does Delta have to earn before we DEMAND to be restored to our pre-bankruptcy pay/benefits? Is $4.5 Billion not enough? Is $6 Billion not enough? How about $10 Billion, still too little?
Why won't our MEC even address how much of those profits came directly from OUR pay/benefit cuts?
The MEC acts as if the Lost Decade never even happened. WHY?
#3859
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"We have an opportunity to"
- not "We WILL"
"cement gains"
- not "negotiate for significant gains" (What does this mean, btw? Aren't our current gains already cemented by way of our existing contract?)
"put into motion"
- not "set a new precedent with Contract 2015"
"the kind of"
- weak speak - ALPA is so good to always leave themselves an out
"long-term, upward trajectory"
- In other words, ain't gonna happen on this contract, but maybe next time.
"that our pilots have told us so many times they desire;"
- through a top secret survey we would sooner die than release to the pilots lest they become aware they don't stand alone in their high expectations
"to put the keystone....."
Blah blah blah - absolutely painful to read.
"in the bridge..."
- This will not be a historic contract, but it may, might, could possibly be the link to a somewhat good contract well in the future.
#3860
Yep, I read it the same way.
"We have an opportunity to"
- not "We WILL"
"cement gains"
- not "negotiate for significant gains" (What does this mean, btw? Aren't our current gains already cemented by way of our existing contract?)
"put into motion"
- not "set a new precedent with Contract 2015"
"the kind of"
- weak speak - ALPA is so good to always leave themselves an out
"long-term, upward trajectory"
- In other words, ain't gonna happen on this contract, but maybe next time.
"that our pilots have told us so many times they desire;"
- through a top secret survey we would sooner die than release to the pilots lest they become aware they don't stand alone in their high expectations
"to put the keystone....."
Blah blah blah - absolutely painful to read.
"in the bridge..."
- This will not be a historic contract, but it may, might, could possibly be the link to a somewhat good contract well in the future.
"We have an opportunity to"
- not "We WILL"
"cement gains"
- not "negotiate for significant gains" (What does this mean, btw? Aren't our current gains already cemented by way of our existing contract?)
"put into motion"
- not "set a new precedent with Contract 2015"
"the kind of"
- weak speak - ALPA is so good to always leave themselves an out
"long-term, upward trajectory"
- In other words, ain't gonna happen on this contract, but maybe next time.
"that our pilots have told us so many times they desire;"
- through a top secret survey we would sooner die than release to the pilots lest they become aware they don't stand alone in their high expectations
"to put the keystone....."
Blah blah blah - absolutely painful to read.
"in the bridge..."
- This will not be a historic contract, but it may, might, could possibly be the link to a somewhat good contract well in the future.
Remember all the daily emails from the MEC explaining every detail of how the Section 6 process will work, the NMB and the RLA? Now we have to go digging for the above referenced document by logging in to ALPA.org, then the MEC, then click on a banner ad. As bad as this weasel-worded document was, it's telling that it didn't come via email...you have to go looking for it. This tells me Donatelli was worried that he may have accidentally said something substantive while weasel-wording.
Krispy Kreme product of the week: "The Donutelli" - Mostly holes and a poor value for your money. Get them while they last though because it's a fleeting opportunity.
Carl
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