scambo1

I could live with that.

OldFlyGuy

I'll take that as a direct insult so: Up yours and your horses. I read what you posted. ?The C20 comments you posted say there is a full blown negotiating bypass effort in place? I do watch TV a lot. At least I realize the X-Files isn't real. Go back to making up crap to support whatever the heck your agenda is. OFG

Carl Spackler

Take it however you want.

No you didn't, you only read what you wanted.

More proof you didn't read what I wrote or what they wrote. Sailingfun is trying to debunk these rumors by making the case that pay has yet to be discussed because the reps say it's what they've been TOLD. However, my reps are saying they HAVE NOT been briefed lately in any substantive way. That's a significant disconnect and supports the well sourced intel I'm getting. Exactly like C2012 went down.

Say hi to Oprah or Judge Judy.

Carl

OldFlyGuy

I absolutely read it. Are you so delusional that you believe everything you speculate is reality? OK, here are my thoughts: a contract that does not clearly lead the industry will not pass and a process mess like you describe will end ALPA. I will donate money to see it happens. OFG

Scoop

True, the former Air Force guys are the first amongst the "Pilots" right behind all the former Naval "Aviators."

Scoop

Purple Drank

Yep, just like that movie with Mary Poppins. "The Shills Are Alive..."

scambo1

I agree with OFG.

However, I would comment, that the reappearance of some old guard and special committee guys is interesting. But, I think people flock to forums when something big is going on. Everyone wants to control their message.

It's good to get both sides of the picture. The problem with both sides, often, is that they are extreme sides.

I have wrote my rep twice. I am sure he has had ample time to write me back. I have received nothing, not even an I got your email or "noted." I won't take that as having special meaning.

Hey FTB, pick up some jalapeņo kettle chips on your way home on tapatalk.

scambo1

The plaque for the ladies room is down the hall.

gzsg

It would be so much more refreshing if the Shadow MEC would just be open and honest.

"We have control again. We know what is best for you and your surveys are meaningless. We cut a deal and now we are going to jam it down your throats."

SSDD

Carl Spackler

Sigh, go read it all again. I'm not believing what I'm speculating, I'm believing where the evidence is pointing here. We have no other choice because the utterly dysfunctional MEC administration has gone radio silent which is normal for them in times of dysfunction. I would ask if you're so delusional that you believe pay has not been discussed thus far...because your reps say so...even when our reps HAVE NOT been substantively briefed lately - but delusional isn't the word. Naīve is the word.

C2012 passed and the MEC administrators did nothing but tout that it clearly led the industry. They still claim it today. So if C2012 is any guide, another non-industry leading contract may well pass again.

I don't think it will. Our pilot group has shown itself more than willing to forgive process messes. C2012 was a flat out ignoring of our process...DALPA is still here. The recall of Kingsley Roberts was a terribly embarrassing process mess...DALPA is still here. The CDO debacle was another embarrassing process mess...DALPA is still here. I see a pattern.

Who would you donate money to in order to see the end of ALPA?

Carl