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06-01-2015 | 09:00 PM
#5341
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Which brings up the point, assuming all LECs know what their constituents put in their contract surveys, do one or two LECs have a right to stifle the stated contract priorities of the rest of the pilot group if they were different from their own group? They would have the right to argue their point obviously but how far would be too far?
06-01-2015 | 09:09 PM
#5342
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Why bother to collect it at all then? It's really the only reference point they have on what the group wants/expects. There will always be the squeaky wheels but the mainstream submits their survey and expects that to speak for them with the collective result being the goal the negotiations work toward.
06-01-2015 | 09:59 PM
#5344
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Maybe Tim Clark would like to play by the same labor laws instead of withholding pay from pilots who have no Union or labor laws for protection. Allow flight attendants to fly past age 27. Let employees unionize, if things are so great he shouldn't need to. The human rights violations of these countries are well documented. These airlines are nothing more than ego driven status symbols of the royal families that own them.
06-01-2015 | 10:03 PM
#5345
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Maybe Tim Clark would like to play by the same labor laws instead of withholding pay from pilots who have no Union or labor laws for protection. Allow flight attendants to fly past age 27. Let employees unionize, if things are so great he shouldn't need to. The human rights violations of these countries are well documented. These airlines are nothing more than ego driven status symbols of the royal families that own them.
06-01-2015 | 10:11 PM
#5346
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Like what?
Give examples, not buying it. Particularly the backgrounds.
Explain exactly how those definitely different backgrounds and demographics are so different at particular bases as to produce completely different priorities from one base to another.
06-02-2015 | 02:40 AM
#5347
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The survey is a data point of wants. Not necessarily what one can get, but what one wants.
Example: I am due for a raise and I have meeting with my boss. I want x, y and z as well as a 40% raise. I get x and y and 25% after our negotiation. After the negotiation I can quit (in our case vote no - or I suppose some could quit) or accept the deal (vote yes).
Just the real world.
Example: I am due for a raise and I have meeting with my boss. I want x, y and z as well as a 40% raise. I get x and y and 25% after our negotiation. After the negotiation I can quit (in our case vote no - or I suppose some could quit) or accept the deal (vote yes).
Just the real world.
06-02-2015 | 02:54 AM
#5348
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Confirmed from someone in the room: Donatelli sent one of the executive admins to "monitor" the meeting. He was a last-minute add-on. The scheduling vice chair was also up from ATL, had been scheduled previously.
Quotes from the C1 reps as shared with me: the company is "overreaching." "Comany's shopping cart getting full...ours is not." "Company needs to negotiate in better faith.". There are apparently a few good things in the deal. Money hasn't been discussed. Reps not happy about the unsigned hit piece from the comm chairman after the C1 update.
Apparently the reps said they remained optimistic, but I can't see how after the 44 update. That was brutal.
Why is Dalpa still sitting at the table? Why not take a few weeks off? What's the rush??
Quotes from the C1 reps as shared with me: the company is "overreaching." "Comany's shopping cart getting full...ours is not." "Company needs to negotiate in better faith.". There are apparently a few good things in the deal. Money hasn't been discussed. Reps not happy about the unsigned hit piece from the comm chairman after the C1 update.
Apparently the reps said they remained optimistic, but I can't see how after the 44 update. That was brutal.
Why is Dalpa still sitting at the table? Why not take a few weeks off? What's the rush??
06-02-2015 | 03:20 AM
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Confirmed from someone in the room: Donatelli sent one of the executive admins to "monitor" the meeting. He was a last-minute add-on. The scheduling vice chair was also up from ATL, had been scheduled previously.
Quotes from the C1 reps as shared with me: the company is "overreaching." "Comany's shopping cart getting full...ours is not." "Company needs to negotiate in better faith.". There are apparently a few good things in the deal. Money hasn't been discussed. Reps not happy about the unsigned hit piece from the comm chairman after the C1 update.
Apparently the reps said they remained optimistic, but I can't see how after the 44 update. That was brutal.
Why is Dalpa still sitting at the table? Why not take a few weeks off? What's the rush??
Quotes from the C1 reps as shared with me: the company is "overreaching." "Comany's shopping cart getting full...ours is not." "Company needs to negotiate in better faith.". There are apparently a few good things in the deal. Money hasn't been discussed. Reps not happy about the unsigned hit piece from the comm chairman after the C1 update.
Apparently the reps said they remained optimistic, but I can't see how after the 44 update. That was brutal.
Why is Dalpa still sitting at the table? Why not take a few weeks off? What's the rush??
This will be done this month. Why? What's the rush to degrade our sick leave? C2012 was filled with major unnecessary concessions. We made gains in sick leave. Now we are going degrade sick leave? One step forward, two steps back.
Slow down and get the deal we deserve.
06-02-2015 | 04:14 AM
#5350
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From: 737 ATL
Confirmed from someone in the room: Donatelli sent one of the executive admins to "monitor" the meeting. He was a last-minute add-on. The scheduling vice chair was also up from ATL, had been scheduled previously.
Quotes from the C1 reps as shared with me: the company is "overreaching." "Comany's shopping cart getting full...ours is not." "Company needs to negotiate in better faith.". There are apparently a few good things in the deal. Money hasn't been discussed. Reps not happy about the unsigned hit piece from the comm chairman after the C1 update.
Apparently the reps said they remained optimistic, but I can't see how after the 44 update. That was brutal.
Why is Dalpa still sitting at the table? Why not take a few weeks off? What's the rush??
Quotes from the C1 reps as shared with me: the company is "overreaching." "Comany's shopping cart getting full...ours is not." "Company needs to negotiate in better faith.". There are apparently a few good things in the deal. Money hasn't been discussed. Reps not happy about the unsigned hit piece from the comm chairman after the C1 update.
Apparently the reps said they remained optimistic, but I can't see how after the 44 update. That was brutal.
Why is Dalpa still sitting at the table? Why not take a few weeks off? What's the rush??
There's been a lot of panic about all the concessions but that could all be silenced when management slides that last crucial slip of paper across the table.
OK. I will admit it. I can be bought. (except maybe on scope)
But if all these concessions are in the deal, its going to have to be A LOT more than 9966.
Once money does get discussed, we should know real soon whether to walk away for a few weeks.
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