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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Trans-Atlantic Joint Venture scope modified to a 50 percent block hour capacity baseline.
o No longer using EASK metric, this includes a carve-out for flights between U.S. and U.K. due to the Virgin Atlantic Joint Venture.
o One-percent buffer, with a one-year measurement period and one year cure period

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So if we JV with someone with A380s/773/747s then one of those now equal 1 767-300? George, enlighten me.
And ALPA l;earned there lesson and put in set penalties for out of compliance.
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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster
Don't spin a concession.
How is that spin? I don't like the new verification, but currently we get nothing for our unused sick time. I've had 80 hours of unused time every year but 1.

I'm just passing along what's being briefed at the meeting. You can decide if you like it or not. This piece for me is a positive. YMMV
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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:46 AM
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Funding our pay rates with cuts to PS. Amazing.

I'm sorry, but my 16 yr old could have come back with a better TA.

Do you think the company's negotiators had a good laugh with the $0.05 per diem bump?
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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:46 AM
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This just moves money from one pocket to the other and call it a raise, because Richard wants to be able to tell Wall Street he just signed another Cost Neutral Contract.
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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster
LCA trips not being in bid package, for FOs, is very bad horrible thing.

So the trips that could give me a line, with Christmas off, are not available. Now my else start next pushes me to reserve to get Christmas off.

NICE job Negotiators. Save the company money and mess with my holidays.

YOU HAVE MADE HISTORY.
Yeah, taking LCA trips more than likely means taking the good trips away from FOs. It totally smashes bidding.

It's punitive.
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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Funding our pay rates with cuts to PS. Amazing.

I'm sorry, but my 16 yr old could have come back with a better TA.

Do you think the company's negotiators had a good laugh with the $0.05 per diem bump?
I felt the same way about the nickel per diem increase. I think they spent more money on the ink to print the digits of "$0.05" than will be in our paycheck.
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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
8,0,3,3, sick leave worse, scope worse, profit sharing reduction of 50%!

"It's only rumors!"

Yeah?

How you feel about that now, Sailingfun?
How should I feel? I have made no comments about the TA other then ask for specifics on rumors posted. My first look is that we will gain jobs on the work rule side. I don't like the payrates but if you end up with the NMB they are at the top of the industry.
Many of the rumors posted here did not come to pass. No pay banding, no third party sick verification, no reduction in sick hours, no increase in training freeze except in base moves by a new hire.

There are a bunch of quality of life improvements and many areas of past complaints have been addressed. In total those items have significant value.
There are negatives. The obvious is the potential 5.7% reduction in profit sharing if PTEX is above 6 billion. This year will however be only the second time in history that has happened. The sick verification requirement change I don't like. I can live with the RJ changes given its a net reduction and the 2 for 1 gain at the mainline. I don't fully understand the switch to block hours from EASK but the new compliance periods are a big improvement.
Overall I don't like the payrates but can live with the rest. I had to vote today I would vote no because of the payrates. I will attend the road shows and read what I can. I need to see the costed values in all the work rule changes. We will all get one vote. I suspect this will be a very close vote.
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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:53 AM
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Who are the swing votes?
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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:54 AM
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Turn it down, send it back, tweak it & we're still on track.

Baja.
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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:55 AM
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This "good" news is that this is such a turd there's actually a "historic" chance for it to be voted down by memrat assuming it gets to us.

Does DALPA live to see another day, or is this the nail in the coffin? Enough is enough.
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