As a so called optimist, what is the "good" in this contract? I don't want to hear about money either...the money was/is gonna come because both the company and the union know that unless they offer a competitive pay package they'll surely get a NO vote. I want to know what you think is "good" beyond the pay? You've proven to be an advocate for this TA so please provide the rest of us with 5 items you believe warrant this a "good" TA, again beyond the pay? 5 things....

 

Um. What?

Automatic no vote, drop the mic, walk away, beg to get parked (which, by the way, will NEVER happen simply because we refuse to give concessions especially during 6+B/year record setting profits).

There is nothing the NMB can do to us that is worst than POS15.

 

 

Oh, so that's who wrote our strategic planning power point. Are they also helping the P2P guys on FB with their talking points?

 

So let's assume there is no PS. what about that ? I'm willing to prove to anybody if you PM me that we are going to be in a total market disaster over next 3 years. THERE WILL BE NO PS !!!. Calculate that into this POS TA.

 

Great hockey game right now. Too lazy to type, but --

Here's what I think we should do:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ml#post1897969

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ml#post1897990

 

Sorry I'm not the doom and gloom type. I will go with the company's prediction for profits the next three years.

Denny

 

Not sure what you're saying you're predicting, but if profits disappear (total market disaster) then not only would there be no PS money, there is a 100% chance they would come hard for concessions. Heck, they're doing that now to almost everything except pay rates already. In a "total market disaster" collapse, they will come for the pay rates too.

When things recover, we will NEVER get the current PS tiers and levels back.

Oh and how cool will it be going in to a total market disaster with work rules that require fewer pilots and a JV system that looks at a foreign 380 the same as our 757 on a route? What if a rogue MEC chairman says its OK to paint any foreign airline DL and call it DL and use their pilots? Don't think Donatelli would do that? He's agreeing to that very language right now.

Pay is easier to lose in a downturn and is also much easier to get back than work rules. This TA hammers work rules and staffing while providing a huge fleet replacement in lower paying AC in exchange for a relatively modest raise in the best negotiating environment in industry history. If I was a manager thinking 4 steps ahead of the line swine playing a long game to absolutely dominate them, this is EXACTLY what I would be trying to do.

We're getting played. Hard. We're outmatched. Send it back and do it right, for as long as it takes.

 

This needs to be added to the list of questions.

 

I'm wondering if it levels out actual reserves through the month to keep weekends from dropping down to min as much (or simply raising the min if there is a "surplus" of reserves available for a given month). If that's the case that would be an earth shattering concession that would dramatically reduce GS assignments as well as abrogating the seniority of reserves and severely restrict schedule moves.

I'm hoping that's not what this is, but it fits the theme of deep concessions that reduce pilot staffing in exchange for modest pay rate increases.