Details on Delta TA
06-13-2015 | 08:03 PM
#8631
Da Hudge
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From: Poodle Whisperer
He's illustrating exactly why listening to pilots for investment advice is generally just an awful idea. Yikes.
Logically, though... I'm fine with monetizing more and more profit sharing over time (on top of good normal raises, not this junk here) since airlines have this tendency to not make profits.
Logically, though... I'm fine with monetizing more and more profit sharing over time (on top of good normal raises, not this junk here) since airlines have this tendency to not make profits.
06-13-2015 | 08:03 PM
#8632
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From: 747-400 Captain
80ktsClamp,
I understand you are a moderator here? I made a proposal a few pages back to keep honest information flowing to this thread. Did you happen to read it? I believe we have support for such guidelines. I am told you banned SharpestTool for some of the issues covered in this proposal. Can you please take a look and give your thoughts?
Also, Is it true ACL65 is one of the Atlanta council reps for ALPA? If yes, there is a clear conflict having him as a moderator here. Can moderators read private messages between members here? Any info would be appreciated.
I understand you are a moderator here? I made a proposal a few pages back to keep honest information flowing to this thread. Did you happen to read it? I believe we have support for such guidelines. I am told you banned SharpestTool for some of the issues covered in this proposal. Can you please take a look and give your thoughts?
Also, Is it true ACL65 is one of the Atlanta council reps for ALPA? If yes, there is a clear conflict having him as a moderator here. Can moderators read private messages between members here? Any info would be appreciated.
Agree about the concept of truth...or the ban hammer.
Carl
06-13-2015 | 08:09 PM
#8634
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From: 747-400 Captain
DAL Compensation calculations:
Assumptions; 1,000 hrs/year @ 12 years pay seniority
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Current B-777 Captain
$272 x 1,000 = $272,000 + 20% PS = $326,400
New TA 2015 B-777 Captain with 2016 pay rates
$311 x 1,000 = $311,000 + 10% PS = $342,000
That's a 2016 4.8% raise
+ 1.0% 401K contribution is a total aggregate of 5.8%
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Current B-777 FO
$185 x 1,000 = 185,000 + 20% PS = $222,000
New TA 2015 B-777 FO with 2016 pay rates
$212 x 1,000 = $212,000 + 10% = $233,200
Thats a 2016 5.0% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 6.0%
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Current B-737 Captain
$219 x 1,000 = $219,000 + 20% PS = $262,800
TA 2015 B-737 Captain with 2016 pay rates
$251 x 1,000 = $251,000 + 10% = $276,222
That's a 2016 5.4% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 6.4%
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Current B-737 FO
$149 x 1,000 = $149,000 + 20% PS = $178,800
TA 2015 B-737 FO with 2016 pay rates
$170 x 1,000 = $170,000 + 10% PS = $187,000
That's a 2016 4.5% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 5.5%
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Cliff's Notes
*Between the most senior pay rates from B-777 Captain to a 12 year B-737 FO...the average pay raise is appx. 5.5%
Add in the 2017 & 2018 3% pay increases and you end up having an 11.5% raise.
Consider the options of turning down TA 2015 carefully.
If disapproved, we can end up going to arbitrage and dragging this out for 2-3 years for only a couple percent more. Then we will be ready for a new contract. Also, the arbitrator's directed to meet just industry standards.
Consider all the facts carefuly and vote wisely!
B-R
Assumptions; 1,000 hrs/year @ 12 years pay seniority
===========================================
Current B-777 Captain
$272 x 1,000 = $272,000 + 20% PS = $326,400
New TA 2015 B-777 Captain with 2016 pay rates
$311 x 1,000 = $311,000 + 10% PS = $342,000
That's a 2016 4.8% raise
+ 1.0% 401K contribution is a total aggregate of 5.8%
===========================================
Current B-777 FO
$185 x 1,000 = 185,000 + 20% PS = $222,000
New TA 2015 B-777 FO with 2016 pay rates
$212 x 1,000 = $212,000 + 10% = $233,200
Thats a 2016 5.0% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 6.0%
===========================================
Current B-737 Captain
$219 x 1,000 = $219,000 + 20% PS = $262,800
TA 2015 B-737 Captain with 2016 pay rates
$251 x 1,000 = $251,000 + 10% = $276,222
That's a 2016 5.4% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 6.4%
===========================================
Current B-737 FO
$149 x 1,000 = $149,000 + 20% PS = $178,800
TA 2015 B-737 FO with 2016 pay rates
$170 x 1,000 = $170,000 + 10% PS = $187,000
That's a 2016 4.5% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 5.5%
===========================================
Cliff's Notes
*Between the most senior pay rates from B-777 Captain to a 12 year B-737 FO...the average pay raise is appx. 5.5%
Add in the 2017 & 2018 3% pay increases and you end up having an 11.5% raise.
Consider the options of turning down TA 2015 carefully.
If disapproved, we can end up going to arbitrage and dragging this out for 2-3 years for only a couple percent more. Then we will be ready for a new contract. Also, the arbitrator's directed to meet just industry standards.
Consider all the facts carefuly and vote wisely!
B-R
Carl
06-13-2015 | 08:09 PM
#8635
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Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Permanently scarred
He's illustrating exactly why listening to pilots for investment advice is generally just an awful idea. Yikes.
Logically, though... I'm fine with monetizing more and more profit sharing over time (on top of good normal raises, not this junk here) since airlines have this tendency to not make profits.
Logically, though... I'm fine with monetizing more and more profit sharing over time (on top of good normal raises, not this junk here) since airlines have this tendency to not make profits.
06-13-2015 | 08:17 PM
#8637
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From: CA
The idea isn't a bad one, but both sides tend to get a bit shrill and a lot of gray is tossed around. It's already hard enough to keep up with the site, much moreso fact check every interpretation and subsequently ban.
Tool was temporary banned by a site admin for crass language and insulting other members repeatedly. I'm keeping a sharp eye on him.
While ACL65 is still listed as a mod, he hasn't actively participated here since his election. No one can see your PMs except the sender and recipient(s) of the PM.
Tool was temporary banned by a site admin for crass language and insulting other members repeatedly. I'm keeping a sharp eye on him.
While ACL65 is still listed as a mod, he hasn't actively participated here since his election. No one can see your PMs except the sender and recipient(s) of the PM.
Whereas it's been verified ALPA is sending guys to this board to push what many feel is a one sided and oft times misleading message, it would be nice to balance the CG for better climb and cruise performance before landing.
RE ACL65, I'm no lawyer but I don't think it's a good idea for him to be listed as a moderator. Members who don't agree with his politics as an ALPA rep may take issue. If I were Internet Brands I would remove his name. Thanks for listening
06-13-2015 | 08:18 PM
#8638
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From: Downward-Facing Dog Pose
06-13-2015 | 08:20 PM
#8639
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From: 747-400 Captain
The idea isn't a bad one, but both sides tend to get a bit shrill and a lot of gray is tossed around. It's already hard enough to keep up with the site, much moreso fact check every interpretation and subsequently ban.
Tool was temporary banned by a site admin for crass language and insulting other members repeatedly. I'm keeping a sharp eye on him.
Tool was temporary banned by a site admin for crass language and insulting other members repeatedly. I'm keeping a sharp eye on him.
Remember it was FTB that busted Lumberg as a fraud.
Carl
06-13-2015 | 08:21 PM
#8640
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Joined: Jun 2015
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From: CA
Good to know. Enjoy it for now before the next contract where pilots are required to turn over login ID for internet message boards with their medical records.
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