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Old 06-14-2015 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBojangles
why are you selling this thing so hard by the way? I thought you got banned?

He was banned. Temporarily.

I got a kick out of his proclaiming the medical issued "settled" 7 minutes after his lengthy post.

Originally Posted by SharpestTool
OK, that settles the sick leave hysteria.

I think the next issue is...

It's classic liberal: "The debate is over because I proclaim it so!"

LMAO

Yeah...ummm....no. It's not. Not by a long shot. Your proclamation, Tool, means exactly squat.

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Old 06-14-2015 | 10:44 AM
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I have yet to meet a pilot that asked for sick leave, scope, profit sharing concessions! Scope is a Nope.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 10:45 AM
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The fact that sick verification is not at the discretion of the pilot is a huge give. Please don't act like it's not.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBojangles
There are two terms-"verification threshold" (which is defined as stated above); and "medical release threshold", which isn't defined anywhere that I've seen. It seems vague. look at 14.G

why are you selling this thing so hard by the way? I thought you got banned?
Why would I be banned? You should not believe everything you read here. I am not supposed to be a Delta pilot either. When I offered to meet two individuals here, provide the with a cold beer and my ID card, they both went radio silent.

I just shot down the sick leave verification myth. If this place is where you are going to educate yourself about the TA, you are going to be indoctrinated rather than educated.

The language is not vague as far as the company and ALPA is concerned. Application of this section has not been disputed. Perhaps if you require more amplification you might contact your rep and hear it from the horse's mouth.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
I have yet to meet a pilot that asked for sick leave, scope, profit sharing concessions! Scope is a Nope.
But to be fair, did we all specifically ask to nothave those concessions?

Besides, what if they gave us each one million dollars for a single hour of sick time reduction? Ah ha! You just admitted sick leave is for sale, now let's talk price! Etc. Its really an uphill battle when we go into it by letting them frame the debate like that, but we just keep doing it.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SharpestTool
Why would I be banned? You should not believe everything you read here. I am not supposed to be a Delta pilot either. When I offered to meet two individuals here, provide the with a cold beer and my ID card, they both went radio silent.

I just shot down the sick leave verification myth. If this place is where you are going to educate yourself about the TA, you are going to be indoctrinated rather than educated.

The language is not vague as far as the company and ALPA is concerned. Application of this section has not been disputed. Perhaps if you require more amplification you might contact your rep and hear it from the horse's mouth.
I'm reading it right here from the alpa website, sir. . I want to know why you left out the section about the "medical release threshold" that is not defined anywhere? It's a vague term that they could use to make you go through these hoops at any time basically. I have contacted my reps and am awaiting an answer.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Scope is a Nope.
Why? Recognizing that there are trades in the agreement, what specifically about scope makes it unworkable for you?

This isn't a challenge, this is a request for info to see if I'm not looking at it correctly.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBojangles
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a pilot’s sick leave exceeds a medical release
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14.G.1.a you left that part out..why?
I quoted Section 14.G.1.a verbatim from C2012. what are you referring to?
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Old 06-14-2015 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SharpestTool
I quoted Section 14.G.1.a verbatim from C2012. what are you referring to?
well that's the problem-I'm looking at the 2015 TA Go read that one-that's the one we vote on.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBojangles
I'm reading it right here from the alpa website, sir. . I want to know why you left out the section about the "medical release threshold" that is not defined anywhere? It's a vague term that they could use to make you go through these hoops at any time basically. I have contacted my reps and am awaiting an answer.

Are you reading the same TA I'm reading? It's Section 14.A.20 in the definitions, so it's not a vague term. It's defined.
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