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06-15-2015 | 05:56 PM

#9081

Trip7

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Let me ask you this... Looking at the long term, what kind of raise do you see us getting in the next contract if we are already ahead of American in (pay and two years earlier entering negotiations)?

Denny

Way too early to tell. If Delta is running full steam ahead on all cylinders, another 20% is not out of the question. When AA finally comes back to the table our rates could be 30%+ ahead

06-15-2015 | 06:01 PM

#9082

GogglesPisano

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Thank you, 80.

06-15-2015 | 06:03 PM

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DoubleTrouble

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

When you accuse someone of being corrupt you are stating they are committing criminal actions. I would be very careful in doing that unless you have hard evidence to back that up. If not they might end up with your house and 401k!

Zero on those links to cause him any worry of lawsuits. Now, the MEC and a duty of fair representation....

06-15-2015 | 06:04 PM

#9084

Mem9guy

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From: No longer MEM or 9, but still a guy.

Short call bucket

Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but I noticed while reading through it, that the TA changes the number of short calls needed to be in "short call bucket 2" from the current 3 to 2.

06-15-2015 | 06:05 PM

#9085

Denny Crane

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Originally Posted by Trip7

Way too early to tell. If Delta is running full steam ahead on all cylinders, another 20% is not out of the question. When AA finally comes back to the table our rates could be 30%+ ahead

My response to this is: If you think we can be that far ahead of American then, why can't we 15/20%+ ahead on this contract? Not really any difference in my book.

Denny

06-15-2015 | 06:09 PM

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DeadHead

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Originally Posted by Trip7

Way too early to tell. If Delta is running full steam ahead on all cylinders, another 20% is not out of the question. When AA finally comes back to the table our rates could be 30%+ ahead

Vague open-ended percentages do nothing for the debate.

06-15-2015 | 06:12 PM

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ERflyer

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

Money is not "first" for everyone.

Totally agree. Sick leave, and most of all Scope could very well tilt this to a no. To paraphrase Lenin, "The Pilots will sell us the scope with which we will hang them."

Overreach on these two items could very well be the undoing of this TA.

06-15-2015 | 06:19 PM

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DoubleTrouble

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Originally Posted by orvil

John has thick skin. He can take it.

He may even take it as a compliment.

06-15-2015 | 06:28 PM

#9089

Trip7

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

My response to this is: If you think we can be that far ahead of American then, why can't we 15/20%+ ahead on this contract? Not really any difference in my book.

Denny

Because negotiations is not about what you think you deserve, it's what you can negotiate. If a professional negotiator says we've extracted maximum value, and I see all my colleagues around me(FDX/SWA/UPS) getting stomped on, I believe him!

Telling a professional negotiator you believe we can get 15-20% ahead is like a pax coming to your airplane after a wind shear related diversion and stating the weather isn't so bad you could have made it!

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Originally Posted by DeadHead

Vague open-ended percentages do nothing for the debate.

I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific about 3 years down the road. I truly apologize.

06-15-2015 | 06:30 PM

#9090

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by ERflyer

The larger issue that I hope pilots will decipher this as the blatant attempt to divide this pilot group into three tribes that got something off the backs of the other tribes.

INDUSTRIAL PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS.

Carl