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06-17-2015 | 04:13 PM
#9621
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question for anyone who knows:
how does delta mgmt even get reliable data on sick leave usage rates at other airlines?
If they believe our rates have risen too much, I can understand how they are seeing that, but to claim to have UAL or AA sick data? If they do in fact have that info, that would indicate that our management is much cozier with competing management than I would have ever imagined....wonder what else they are all scheming up?
how does delta mgmt even get reliable data on sick leave usage rates at other airlines?
If they believe our rates have risen too much, I can understand how they are seeing that, but to claim to have UAL or AA sick data? If they do in fact have that info, that would indicate that our management is much cozier with competing management than I would have ever imagined....wonder what else they are all scheming up?
06-17-2015 | 04:18 PM
#9622
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From: 747-400 Captain
Carl, few words of advice...
If you wish to discuss things as fellow professionals let us do that. But every time you start name calling fellow delta pilots based on personal appearance you remind everyone of the middle school bully who grew up to be a drunken wife beater. Because he was abused at home every day growing up.
If you wish to discuss things as fellow professionals let us do that. But every time you start name calling fellow delta pilots based on personal appearance you remind everyone of the middle school bully who grew up to be a drunken wife beater. Because he was abused at home every day growing up.
Carl
06-17-2015 | 04:23 PM
#9623
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From: 747-400 Captain
Did the MEC Chair really say that? Dalpa itself had a bar graph on the MEC website shortly after the TA came out (it has since disappeared) that showed that over 1000 pilots had LCA trip drops last year.
So not even counting the ripple effect of The 75% LCA holdback, it effects far more than 2%.
So not even counting the ripple effect of The 75% LCA holdback, it effects far more than 2%.
Carl
06-17-2015 | 04:23 PM
#9624
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The basic's that I read, and I don't need to go to a sales show to make my mind up is NO, END OF STORY!to bad so many SR guys only see the $$$ and don't care for the younger guys. Flying with a dude that says he doesn't care, only a few more years going for $$$.
06-17-2015 | 04:34 PM
#9625
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Professor I've been under ALPA's rule for 30+ years and each year it seems like they get a little bit more political and corrupt. Sit down at the negotiating table Wage war against the company come lunchtime hey who's buying lunch today the company or ALPA, back from lunch hey it's wartime, okay 5 o'clock who is buying at happy hour. I have personally had it with AlLPA taking so many dues, being so hypocritical not representing our needs. Spending hundreds on lunches, dinners, meetings. Don't care if it's DPA or no one I'd rather have no one then pay my dues to ALPA. Bunch of MFers that are out of touch with the real world and the real world of line flying! NO NO NO NO. Kudos to the reps that voted this down, those are the real man who stand up for us! Not a bunch of p u s... that just follow what the leader says.
06-17-2015 | 04:44 PM
#9629
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From: CA
Its more than that though. The TA significantly lowers the threshold where we are required to verify. Not only is it a reduction from 100 to 75 to 80ish hours (equivalent) but the removal of the ability to pre-verify prior to the threshold makes this a double whammy.
Now we will have to verify way sooner and way more often. As for compliance, its not just a matter of you are required to verify and you just say "nah nanny boo boo" and refuse to verify, just like refusing to show for a trip, etc. Its actually worse than that. You can make your best effort to verify, but if you can't find a doctor to "verify" you indeed had an upset stomach/headache/nausea/squirts/etc 3 days ago, which is completely unverifiable in the first place, then you can't verify, even if you try to verify.
So if you've already used your days for the rolling time period and you get something that you don't think can be verified, you better just drag yourself into work and tough it out because we're really trying to save money here.
Right or wrong, we all knew they were coming after sick useage. But this particular concession is deep and dangerous and is a flat out safety issue.
This is a drastic over reach that 100% will result in ether pilots now flying sick for "grey area" illnesses they don't feel can be easily verified, or pilots ending up having to fight for their jobs because they couldn't verify something that isn't verifiable in the first place. Or both. Almost definately both.
And no "records check" is going to change that in the slightest.
Now we will have to verify way sooner and way more often. As for compliance, its not just a matter of you are required to verify and you just say "nah nanny boo boo" and refuse to verify, just like refusing to show for a trip, etc. Its actually worse than that. You can make your best effort to verify, but if you can't find a doctor to "verify" you indeed had an upset stomach/headache/nausea/squirts/etc 3 days ago, which is completely unverifiable in the first place, then you can't verify, even if you try to verify.
So if you've already used your days for the rolling time period and you get something that you don't think can be verified, you better just drag yourself into work and tough it out because we're really trying to save money here.
Right or wrong, we all knew they were coming after sick useage. But this particular concession is deep and dangerous and is a flat out safety issue.
This is a drastic over reach that 100% will result in ether pilots now flying sick for "grey area" illnesses they don't feel can be easily verified, or pilots ending up having to fight for their jobs because they couldn't verify something that isn't verifiable in the first place. Or both. Almost definately both.
And no "records check" is going to change that in the slightest.
06-17-2015 | 04:49 PM
#9630
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From: Lowest Pay I Could Find
We are now just all arguing about how bad the TA is. That sums up the last 20 pages. It is bad. We all know that. Collect the facts from the TA language directly and educate the next pilot you bump into. ALPA sure ain't going to do that. There is enough ammo here to hold the Alamo for 11 years.
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