Originally Posted by BobZ

Okay....if as you claim our present compensation methodology punishes 'older' hires....than can we assume you also maintain it 'rewards' younger hires?

Or is everyone getting screwed?

And given your 42 year longevity model were in place, could not a 50 year old new hire, with only 15 years of incremental adjustments before retirement make the same argument you are now articulating?

That it is a compensation model that 'punishes' older hires?

Originally Posted by JamesBond

They payscales should go theoretically 42 years. Not 12. that has never made any sense. Actually it should be a percentage raise for every year you are on the property. The newhire gains his QOL by continuing to convert O2 to CO2. With every year he gets more money, and he gets to choose whatever airplane suits his lifestyle the best. His "seniority" will be relative to the hiring rate of the company. Right now, they guys being hired today are going to have careers you and I only dreamed about. We have a window to fix the retardation we have now where the downside will not even be noticed. If this was industry standard, mergers would be a snap. This is the only thing (aside from jumpseat) we do that is NOT seniority driven. Why?


So let me ask you this: Would you still fly the 777 if you could get paid the same $$ for flying something that would allow you to be home every night or go to better destinations? If not, then the only conclusion is that you have big shiny jet syndrome (or a girlfriend in NRT ). I have heard countless guys say they would fly a C172 if it paid enough. Well, I would like to see them prove that.

Originally Posted by BobZ

How is a compensation model where a 50 yr old new hire never reaches peak longevity pay less punishing than our current model where that same 50 yr old will have perhaps 3 years at peak earnings rate for a delta pilot?

Originally Posted by scambo1

NRT is another animal...cant stand the place, dont understand what the fnwa guys like about it. Its a 2 workout layover with laundry. NRT is a 1 day min security prison sentance. But Im not happy at all with the pacific flying scope cave centered around NRT.
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter

Take the bus or train in to Tokyo, then go to to the fish market and spend a buck or two on some sushi. No need to consume beer and gyoza at the green awning every time you go to NRT.

Tsukiji Market, Chuo, Tokyo, Japan

Originally Posted by BobZ

this 42 year longevity slope....are we to assume the peak rate will be the same as our present 12 year max rate, so this will be a 'flatter' slope to achieve peak earnings?

so it takes 42 years, what under the current model takes 12? or are we expecting to extrapolate from the current 12 year peak....so at the 42 year point a 777A is making somewhere around 3.5 times the 12 year rate?

I don't know about now, but when I came to work near half never made a full retirement age career......with a 42 year slope of longevity increases, I'm betting all we will insure is that the company will never pay the peak rate to a large number of pilots.

Originally Posted by scambo1

Im a rare guy to ask about the 777 maybe, I dont think so. Personally, Id stay on it because it gives me the qol I seek and good pay with the ability to boost the pay when I want.

NRT is another animal...cant stand the place, dont understand what the fnwa guys like about it. Its a 2 workout layover with laundry. NRT is a 1 day min security prison sentance. But Im not happy at all with the pacific flying scope cave centered around NRT.

I loved the 777 when it flew to India and had 3 day asia trips. I like the 777 for the beginning and ending deadheads. Im not trading any of that in to be a 737 or 767 captain. If we had a 6 hour min day, I would revisit that decision.

C150s or general aviation is purely about the fun of flying, low and slow under all the radar vfr. If it paid, It would be great!

Originally Posted by Gunfighter

Take the bus or train in to Tokyo, then go to to the fish market and spend a buck or two on some sushi. No need to consume beer and gyoza at the green awning every time you go to NRT.

Tsukiji Market, Chuo, Tokyo, Japan

Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley

Been there done that. I agree with Mr. S.