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Old 06-05-2016 | 01:57 PM
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How does that argument play out if all captains are on the same scale and all FO's are paid on the same scale?


I also don't think we will merge with Alaska. Hawaiian is another story.
Yeah the Alaska window has closed. They are too big now. What do you know about Hawaiian's financials? Do you think it would be an advantageous merger for us?
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Old 06-05-2016 | 02:06 PM
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There's clearly been a game. Dichotomy would be the word.
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Old 06-05-2016 | 03:18 PM
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Yeah the Alaska window has closed. They are too big now. What do you know about Hawaiian's financials? Do you think it would be an advantageous merger for us?
No. I don't think any merger would be advantageous to us.
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Old 06-05-2016 | 03:21 PM
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No. I don't think any merger would be advantageous to us.
Me either. I really don't think the company is looking at any either. No inside information I just don't think there is any interest. The last I had heard about HI was that they were too levered to the Yen.
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Old 06-05-2016 | 03:24 PM
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Me either. I really don't think the company is looking at any either. No inside information I just don't think there is any interest. The last I had heard about HI was that they were too levered to the Yen.
Good. Let's just keep things the way they are and get an awesome contract.
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Old 06-05-2016 | 08:08 PM
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Just to clear the air on merger(s), yes that's with an (s).

Ed has been calling the JV plus 49% equity stake business plan a "virtual merger." Do you see a value to scope enforcement with a merger that doesn't require an SLI? Or from their perspective, do you see the value in a merger without the messy integration of labor that would limit your cost advantages around the globe?

Again, the game is called Chess. Not sure what we're playin' but it ain't that.
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Old 06-05-2016 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Just to clear the air on merger(s), yes that's with an (s).

Ed has been calling the JV plus 49% equity stake business plan a "virtual merger." Do you see a value to scope enforcement with a merger that doesn't require an SLI? Or from their perspective, do you see the value in a merger without the messy integration of labor that would limit your cost advantages around the globe?

Again, the game is called Chess. Not sure what we're playin' but it ain't that.
I guess it's hard to believe we went from the self appointed worldwide airline of choice to the worldwide JV/travel agent/codeshare/narrow body airline of choice. All the heavy lifting is going to our partners.
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Old 06-06-2016 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
I guess it's hard to believe we went from the self appointed worldwide airline of choice to the worldwide JV/travel agent/codeshare/narrow body airline of choice. All the heavy lifting is going to our partners.
And that is exactly why in that last TA the company wanted to change the JV measurement metric to block hours, rather than stay with equivalent seat miles. One of our 757's block hours is equal to a JV A380 block hour.
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Old 06-06-2016 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Good. Let's just keep things the way they are and get an awesome contract.
Sounds good to me.
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Old 06-06-2016 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
I guess it's hard to believe we went from the self appointed worldwide airline of choice to the worldwide JV/travel agent/codeshare/narrow body airline of choice. All the heavy lifting is going to our partners.
Any data points that show the heavy lifting is going to our partners? Delta flies over 70% of the Delta/Virgin JV and is 22% over the contractual min threshold. More and more Delta 330s keep showing up in JFK. A350 arrives next year in DTW. LAX 777 base has opened.
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