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Old 06-03-2016 | 11:04 AM
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.....its the only way I will ever be ahead of that pesky Timbo guy!!!......
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Old 06-03-2016 | 01:39 PM
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That's it, I'm changing my name to TimZo!
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Old 06-05-2016 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
No. Not flamebait.


If a 737 captain makes the same as a 747 captain, what basis would there be to separate them in a merged seniority list?


It's an argument they would make and one that would be seriously considered by an arbitrator.
Why is this ridiculous Alaska merge theme being resurrected now?

In any case, "career expectations" encompasses a LOT of things. What vacation weeks you get is deeply far down on that list. Almost weightless. There are so many variables beyond just an out of context snapshot of a specific variable that favors one pilot's argument. A (former) USAir friend of mine is furious at the AM and now AA merger because his entire argument is he was hired "expecting to be number one on the list" eventually and therefore that is his particular "expectation" and any other result is bogus *insert the laughing til he cries emoji face*

The DL pilot group is well positioned to fiercely argue all of the benefits of career expectations against any smaller airline. That will in most cases not mean a pure staple, but it dam sure won't mean full relative I assure you.
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Old 06-05-2016 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Why is this ridiculous Alaska merge theme being resurrected now?
Because it is hypothetical for the sake of discussing a longevity/banded pay rate. Good grief. Every point in a discussion is not so serious and imminent as to go into DefCon 4 with every thread.
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Old 06-05-2016 | 11:22 AM
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James Bond, what is your agenda? I think we all know what it is. I just want to see if you're honest about it.
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Old 06-05-2016 | 11:56 AM
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"See no concession, Hear no concession, Speak no concession"

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Old 06-05-2016 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
James Bond, what is your agenda? I think we all know what it is. I just want to see if you're honest about it.
He is setting himself up in a win-win situation. If in fact we get an outstanding TA from Malone and Company he gets to reap the benefits of such a deal even though he has thrown cold water on everyone's expectations of said deal. If not he gets to say "See I told you so!!! We should have passed TA2015!"
I'm not sure which he'd rather see...?
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Old 06-05-2016 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Why is this ridiculous Alaska merge theme being resurrected now?

In any case, "career expectations" encompasses a LOT of things. What vacation weeks you get is deeply far down on that list. Almost weightless. There are so many variables beyond just an out of context snapshot of a specific variable that favors one pilot's argument. A (former) USAir friend of mine is furious at the AM and now AA merger because his entire argument is he was hired "expecting to be number one on the list" eventually and therefore that is his particular "expectation" and any other result is bogus *insert the laughing til he cries emoji face*

The DL pilot group is well positioned to fiercely argue all of the benefits of career expectations against any smaller airline. That will in most cases not mean a pure staple, but it dam sure won't mean full relative I assure you.
How does that argument play out if all captains are on the same scale and all FO's are paid on the same scale?


I also don't think we will merge with Alaska. Hawaiian is another story.
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Old 06-05-2016 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
James Bond, what is your agenda? I think we all know what it is. I just want to see if you're honest about it.
I have no more agenda than you.
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Old 06-05-2016 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Viking busdvr
He is setting himself up in a win-win situation. If in fact we get an outstanding TA from Malone and Company he gets to reap the benefits of such a deal even though he has thrown cold water on everyone's expectations of said deal. If not he gets to say "See I told you so!!! We should have passed TA2015!"
I'm not sure which he'd rather see...?
That is just stupid. But OK I get it. Since I am not lockstep in your little circle jerk I have an agenda. Nice. Glad you are open minded.
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