Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2186461)

To match UAL on a weighted average we need a 14% increase now and 3% per year thereafter not counting PS. With PS and if we retain the pensionable aspect of the PS we will gain at least 10% more above UAL. 22% now would net us around 18% more than UAL with the higher expected PS. Even if the PS numbers came in exactly the same we would net 11.5 percent more with PS being pensionable.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2186482)

So how do you guys justify our payscale and the UPS scale vis a vis the UAL payscale? I for one find it unacceptable to vote for something that pays our 777s vastly more than a UAL 777 while I get industry standard. So there.

Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 2186536)

Because UPS is the highest paid in the industry. We need 777, 350, 330, 765, ER if flying Intl to pay above UPS 1%.
UAL has a ton more 777 than us.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2186546)

Their 767s and 777s pay the same. They don't here.

Scenario 1) If the 767s here get UPS +1%, our 777s get UPS + a ton. Is that fair?
Scenario 2) If the 777s here get UPS +1%, everybody else gets less than industry standard. is THAT fair?

Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 2186562)

Read it slow James. Make all are Intl pay the same. 777, 350, 330,765, ER when flying Intl. They should be 1% better than UPS.
All are other fleets get the pay bump up % wise that it took to get UPS 1% from how far the ER intl flying came up to UPS 1% better.
PS stays the same
Vacation and training pay gets better

Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 2186588)

No they are not. We only have a few 777 at Delta. We have a lot more 330 ER, and 765. I don't think you are a Delta pilot. Are 777 cat is small compared to AA and UAL

Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 2186475)

You didn't mention UPS once.