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Express pilot 08-23-2016 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2186590)
OK, correct what I am saying that is wrong. UPS has wide body/narrow body pay, right? therefore 777s 330s 76-400s 7ERs all pay the same. If the 330 guys are getting the same pay as the 7ER guys, why wouldn't they be pizzed?
They would not. We would have wide body intl pay. It would be the best in the industry.
All true Intl would be UPS plus 1%
SLC-CDG ER
SEA-HKG 330
They should pay the same
The ER guys/gals only get the Intl pay when they fly the Intl trip.
You think guys care so much at UPS what plane they fly. Delta pilots just want the best in the industry. UAL is not it. UPS has set the new standard.

JamesBond 08-23-2016 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 2186628)
They would not. We would have wide body intl pay. It would be the best in the industry.
All true Intl would be UPS plus 1%
SLC-CDG ER
SEA-HKG 330
They should pay the same
The ER guys/gals only get the Intl pay when they fly the Intl trip.
You think guys care so much at UPS what plane they fly. Delta pilots just want the best in the industry. UAL is not it. UPS has set the new standard.
Cool. So you are an advocate of banded pay then. It's a start. I am definitely on board with that.















but it will never happen here.

Trip7 08-23-2016 03:49 PM
I agree, pay band all wide bodies to UPS+3-5%. The 777 etc will take a hit but there are so few jobs it shouldn't matter much. It might even go junior to the ER in that case

Hank Kingsley 08-23-2016 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2186461)
To match UAL on a weighted average we need a 14% increase now and 3% per year thereafter not counting PS. With PS and if we retain the pensionable aspect of the PS we will gain at least 10% more above UAL. 22% now would net us around 18% more than UAL with the higher expected PS. Even if the PS numbers came in exactly the same we would net 11.5 percent more with PS being pensionable.
That's "weighted", so a UAL 767-400 Captain is industry leading in hourly wage. Profit sharing is flexible, can't be counted on. It's our silver bullet. It's in lieu of retirement they talked about 31 years ago. When these managers were pooping yellow.

sailingfun 08-23-2016 08:22 PM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2186817)
I agree, pay band all wide bodies to UPS+3-5%. The 777 etc will take a hit but there are so few jobs it shouldn't matter much. It might even go junior to the ER in that case
Between the 350 and 777 by 2020 we will have well over 1300 pilots staffing those two airframes. Hardly a few jobs. The 787 is the front runner to replace the 58 767ER's. Staffing will be lighter on those airframes with mostly 3 man verses 4 but still another potential 1200 to 1400 jobs.
Edit: Based on current 777 staffing my numbers are light. Probably over 1500 pilots will be required for the 777/350.

gloopy 08-23-2016 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2187022)
Between the 350 and 777 by 2020 we will have well over 1300 pilots staffing those two airframes. Hardly a few jobs. The 787 is the front runner to replace the 58 767ER's. Staffing will be lighter on those airframes with mostly 3 man verses 4 but still another potential 1200 to 1400 jobs.
Edit: Based on current 777 staffing my numbers are light. Probably over 1500 pilots will be required for the 777/350.
So you think we're still getting the 787s?

JamesBond 08-24-2016 03:24 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2187022)
Between the 350 and 777 by 2020 we will have well over 1300 pilots staffing those two airframes. Hardly a few jobs. The 787 is the front runner to replace the 58 767ER's. Staffing will be lighter on those airframes with mostly 3 man verses 4 but still another potential 1200 to 1400 jobs.
Edit: Based on current 777 staffing my numbers are light. Probably over 1500 pilots will be required for the 777/350.
You and I will be dead by then.

sailingfun 08-24-2016 05:51 AM
Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2187029)
So you think we're still getting the 787s?
We will get something to replace the 7ER. The 787 is the front runner and lots of delivery positions are available in the timeframe we need them. The only other choice is the A330 NEO which is larger then they want.

tunes 08-24-2016 06:35 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2187022)
Between the 350 and 777 by 2020 we will have well over 1300 pilots staffing those two airframes. Hardly a few jobs. The 787 is the front runner to replace the 58 767ER's. Staffing will be lighter on those airframes with mostly 3 man verses 4 but still another potential 1200 to 1400 jobs.
Edit: Based on current 777 staffing my numbers are light. Probably over 1500 pilots will be required for the 777/350.
we will never see a 787 on property here

JamesBond 08-24-2016 06:57 AM
Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2187209)
we will never see a 787 on property here
We most certainly won't see any more 777s.


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