Originally Posted by Papasmurf (Post 2185890)

Fair enough. We all want the same thing, we just have different opinions on how we get there. Good luck to all of us! Papa

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2185729)

OK then let me ask you this. IF we got 22/7/7, and they still wanted all of those things that seem so abhorrent, and we subsequently turn it down, what do you think would happen next? Mind you that 22/7/7 is a compounded 39.6% pay increase (I rounded down). Show me the 'reasonableness' in turning down -in terms of a pay increase- more money than something like 90% of the country even makes. Or do you believe being 'righteous' will completely win the day in every way and that the NMB and politicos will buy into our case?

Originally Posted by Turbo1 (Post 2186088)

who gives a crap that we make more than 90% of the country? Irrelevant!

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2185867)

Yup. As far as the sick note, I agree absolutely. If they force me to get it, they pay for it. And since it takes me awhile to get in to see my Dr, it might take awhile.

I don't know enough about the GS thing of which you speak to comment.

Originally Posted by Turbo1 (Post 2186098)

exactly! And while you are waiting to see your doctor you don't get paid for the trip. Not to mention you are having to spend your limited time off chasing doctors notes. Waste of your time and waste of the doctors time. Wake up and smell the coffee James! If you spent as much time toward calculating a solution and moving forward with the group for the common good as you do trying to defend company drivel we would be that much closer to success. As it is right now you are the equivalent of a fly in the room....just buzzing in my ear....

Originally Posted by Raging white (Post 2185813)

Several straw men in there. We don't make more than 90% of the people in our country with the same or similar liability and responsibility, not to mention the demonstrated skill and experience to even be eligible for the position. It's an invalid comparison.
A minimum wage worker in the US makes more than 95% of Sri Lankans. How dare they ask for a raise. See?
The sick leave is exactly what the Co wanted in 2012. What changed??
I think our Dec reopener is reasonable, and with a couple adjustments to the AIP's would pass in the high approval range the MEC set as a goal.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2185838)

I'll gladly press to test that one. They gonna ground me? Forever? Much ado about nothing.

I do think there should be an exception for broken legs, malaria, dengue fever and things like that, but getting a note after 100 hours is no bfd. I just don't get the outrage.

Originally Posted by Turbo1 (Post 2186088)

who gives a crap that we make more than 90% of the country? Irrelevant!

Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 2186147)

We'll never get 22/7/7 without selling the farm on AIP's, which obviously won't happen. What would 22/7/7 put us compared to UAL? 10-15% ahead??? Guys, lets face it, we're handcuffed by the NMB and (mostly) pattern bargaining. UAL rates plus a few percent and comparable work rules and benefits improvements. If we give on the AIP's, then I would expect higher pay to offset. Bet we end up somewhere in this ballpark.

Originally Posted by Tanker1497 (Post 2186160)

What Tubo1 said Tsquare...who care what anyone else makes that doesn't do what we do for a living? The other 90 percent could make the sacrifice and invest the time and training and experience required to do what we do and make...but they don't, and that's fine. For a guy that sells his soul on behalf of LBP, which makes all pilots from the top of the bottom of the seniority list equal in terms of pay, your petty arguments about the other 90 percent get lost in your hypocrisy...