DAL Class drops
09-26-2019, 08:01 AM
#3371
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
all very valid points. I would like to add one more .....time zones. There are virtually no red eyes going east to west......who wants to take off at 11pm for a 5:30hr flight and arrive in LA at 0130hrs? Now, how about take off from LA at 11pm for a 5:00 flt(winds) and arrive in NYC at 0700hrs? I venture to say.....much greater demand.
So the question is.....would we(you) rather have more jobs which include red eyes or less jobs sans red eyes?
So the question is.....would we(you) rather have more jobs which include red eyes or less jobs sans red eyes?
The jobs are there, it’s just a matter of whether you would want to choose to do it, if you have other options. Far better to be able to rationally weigh the pros and cons of certain seats beyond tray table vs no tray table.
09-26-2019, 08:15 AM
#3372
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I disagree. That’s not the question. It’s not an either/or thing. You don’t have to reduce the amount of red eyes to have more trips start during the day. Share the “wealth” and have some red eyes in the middle of/end of other 320 bases. The question is..........why can’t more trips start during the day?
Denny
Denny
09-26-2019, 08:29 AM
#3373
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Originally Posted by OOfff
Imagine the outrage over a 5-day trip with a daytime start, switch to redeye on day 2, day sleep and evening flight day 3, then return to morning departure on day 4/5.
There will always be complaining......that’s the pilot way. But there can be some solutions too.
Denny
09-26-2019, 08:47 AM
#3374
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I cannot tell you how many trips I flew when based out of ATL that ended in a red eye getting in on the last day in the morning. Not real difficult.
There will always be complaining......that’s the pilot way. But there can be some solutions too.
Denny
There will always be complaining......that’s the pilot way. But there can be some solutions too.
Denny
09-26-2019, 09:35 AM
#3377
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Originally Posted by Funk
I don’t think the argument was “red eyes out of LAX are the devil and should be banned,” but rather, “have your eyes open to the possibility that a junior 320B in LAX will have a large number of red eyes and uncommutable trips by nature of the base.”
The jobs are there, it’s just a matter of whether you would want to choose to do it, if you have other options. Far better to be able to rationally weigh the pros and cons of certain seats beyond tray table vs no tray table.
The jobs are there, it’s just a matter of whether you would want to choose to do it, if you have other options. Far better to be able to rationally weigh the pros and cons of certain seats beyond tray table vs no tray table.
09-26-2019, 09:38 AM
#3378
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
The question is..........why can’t more trips start during the day?
Denny
Denny
If commutability and other rotation construction items are a high priority for us, then some negotiating capital will have to be spent on getting some contractual authority over rotation construction.
09-26-2019, 02:41 PM
#3379
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I cannot tell you how many trips I flew when based out of ATL that ended in a red eye getting in on the last day in the morning. Not real difficult.
There will always be complaining......that’s the pilot way. But there can be some solutions too.
Denny
There will always be complaining......that’s the pilot way. But there can be some solutions too.
Denny
09-26-2019, 02:46 PM
#3380
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
all very valid points. I would like to add one more .....time zones. There are virtually no red eyes going east to west......who wants to take off at 11pm for a 5:30hr flight and arrive in LA at 0130hrs? Now, how about take off from LA at 11pm for a 5:00 flt(winds) and arrive in NYC at 0700hrs? I venture to say.....much greater demand.
So the question is.....would we(you) rather have more jobs which include red eyes or less jobs sans red eyes?
So the question is.....would we(you) rather have more jobs which include red eyes or less jobs sans red eyes?
Forgot to do the math. Dang.
There are also some late departures in the afternoon out of lax, like a 5pm and I thought something later in the summer.
I once parked at 1230a in atl and saw a 321 going to lax at 0130 because of irops. I looked it up and it was an atl crew. Ouch.
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