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Old 09-10-2019, 01:56 PM   #3331  
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A bunch of guys & girls used that logic about 2 years ago and they’re still in NYC.
True. Numbers and situation are a little different now. More retirements and the company just admitted they overdid it this past summer.
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Not sure about that. With the retirements we have coming up in the next couple of years it will be very short timelines to get just about any base in the narrow body you want on the FO side of things. If given the choice of being locked into the MD88 for a minimum of two years to be based in Atlanta versus taking the A320 to NYC knowing that the odds are good you'd get to Atlanta within 6-9 months with the movement that's coming... I think quite a few people would go for the tray table. Just a thought.

I flew the 10 back in the early 2000's. I did enjoy flying Big Sexy as it was referred to.
You will not be on the 88 for two years. The 88 is probably a pretty good bet for new hires right now since they stand to be displaced on the spring AE (80 planes by end of 2019, down to 18 by end of 2020). There's no way a new hire will be stuck for long, and if you're wanting to move to a Delta domicile you could bid ATL 88 and use the company paid move to your new domicile when displaced.
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You will not be on the 88 for two years. The 88 is probably a pretty good bet for new hires right now since they stand to be displaced on the spring AE (80 planes by end of 2019, down to 18 by end of 2020). There's no way a new hire will be stuck for long, and if you're wanting to move to a Delta domicile you could bid ATL 88 and use the company paid move to your new domicile when displaced.
That's probably the best play based on the timing of the 88 going away. Unless they change their mind again and keep it around longer, it'd be a good way to either get to ATL immediately knowing you'll have the displacement coming up. And getting the company paid move would be a nice perk...
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Old 09-10-2019, 02:33 PM   #3334  
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A bunch of guys & girls used that logic about 2 years ago and they’re either still in NYC, or used the 1 year new hire exemption to the seat lock and have changed fleets (with a 3 year seat lock in their new category).
No one is still in NYC against their will 2 years later.

I was hired two years ago this month. We had a few DTW spots in day 1 of Indoc. For everyone else that got NYC, the shortest guys (6-9 months) transferred to SLC and SEA. The last to escape waited 1.5 year to be the plug in MSP on his new hire plane.

Even with all the non hiring recently, guys that got NYC in Dec 2018 were able to transfer to ATL I the Mar/Apr timeframe.
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Old 09-10-2019, 02:53 PM   #3335  
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No one is still in NYC against their will 2 years later.

I was hired two years ago this month. We had a few DTW spots in day 1 of Indoc. For everyone else that got NYC, the shortest guys (6-9 months) transferred to SLC and SEA. The last to escape waited 1.5 year to be the plug in MSP on his new hire plane.

Even with all the non hiring recently, guys that got NYC in Dec 2018 were able to transfer to ATL I the Mar/Apr timeframe.
The ATL320B plug is 2 years on property. That pilot and the next 6-9 off the bottom are awaiting their mandatory displacement from the last AE. So no 320 pilot hired in the last 2 years has been able to get to ATL, if that was their strategy.

You are correct that they are not in NYC against their will. They could have chosen a different base, or changed fleets to get to ATL any now (thus adding to their new seat lock).

Just trying to clarify your original point for anyone who may be attending indoc soon. 717B is the fastest way to ATL followed by 73N. 7ER would actually be third, although the upcoming 321 deliveries could change that.
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Old 09-10-2019, 03:41 PM   #3336  
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Not sure about that. With the retirements we have coming up in the next couple of years it will be very short timelines to get just about any base in the narrow body you want on the FO side of things. If given the choice of being locked into the MD88 for a minimum of two years to be based in Atlanta versus taking the A320 to NYC knowing that the odds are good you'd get to Atlanta within 6-9 months with the movement that's coming... I think quite a few people would go for the tray table. Just a thought.

I flew the 10 back in the early 2000's. I did enjoy flying Big Sexy as it was referred to.
Sorry but I’m going to have to absolutely disagree with you on this. While we do have many to come, the amount of 88, 737, and 717 guys who have a bid in and are waiting for open ATL spots is pretty massive. Plus right now it seems like the 321 growth is being dispersed amongst every base except for ATL. Realistically for those that want Atlanta I would say 88, 717, and then 737. In that order.
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Sorry but I’m going to have to absolutely disagree with you on this. While we do have many to come, the amount of 88, 737, and 717 guys who have a bid in and are waiting for open ATL spots is pretty massive. Plus right now it seems like the 321 growth is being dispersed amongst every base except for ATL. Realistically for those that want Atlanta I would say 88, 717, and then 737. In that order.
I was using the A320 as an example of on option to take other than the 88. It would definitely be the hardest plane (other than the 7ER, which was offered to new hires before but not recently) to get back to ATL in as a new hire. I've never flown the 88, but have an appreciation since I flew the DC-9 for a couple years and have sat in many 88 jumpseats thinking "holy crap, none of this makes sense and this looks like waaaayyyyy to much work compared to the Bus." I guess it just depends how bad someone would want to avoid the 88 vs a, shall we say, more modern and comfortable airplane. It's tough to put myself back into the thought process I had at indoc when choosing planes. But, and I can only speak for myself, I would take anything other than an 88 and commute for a bit if I had options in today's environment.

And....no disrespect to my 88 and 90 peeps out there. All the respect in the world to you flying that thing. I know it has character to it! But....I like my tray table.
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I was using the A320 as an example of on option to take other than the 88. It would definitely be the hardest plane (other than the 7ER, which was offered to new hires before but not recently) to get back to ATL in as a new hire. I've never flown the 88, but have an appreciation since I flew the DC-9 for a couple years and have sat in many 88 jumpseats thinking "holy crap, none of this makes sense and this looks like waaaayyyyy to much work compared to the Bus." I guess it just depends how bad someone would want to avoid the 88 vs a, shall we say, more modern and comfortable airplane. It's tough to put myself back into the thought process I had at indoc when choosing planes. But, and I can only speak for myself, I would take anything other than an 88 and commute for a bit if I had options in today's environment.

And....no disrespect to my 88 and 90 peeps out there. All the respect in the world to you flying that thing. I know it has character to it! But....I like my tray table.
With regards to comfort and ease of flying, totally agree. But it just depends the commute too. I’d rather be junior and commute to Atlanta than NYC personally. Having to cover possibly 3 airports and get a crash pad makes it easy. Even when I was reserve and commuted to Atlanta I didn’t get more than 3 hotels a month. And after the hit of training pay, $180 for hotels was better than $300-400 for a crash pad. If only the 321 deliveries weren’t delayed....
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:24 PM   #3339  
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NYC B737B
NYC A220B
NYC B717B
NYC A320B
ATL MD88B

The 10/7 class drop FWIW. I don't know how many of each are available.
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NYC B737B

NYC A220B

NYC B717B

NYC A320B

ATL MD88B



The 10/7 class drop FWIW. I don't know how many of each are available.


Hey! First Maddog AND Non New York base we’ve seen in a while


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