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Old 03-15-2018, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by UNDGUY View Post
Seems like many of your gripes are with the New York domicile. Detroit is still being awarded to new hires on the 200. It shouldn't take long to get out of NYC if you hate it that much. Anybody know what the hire date for the bottom seniority is on the 900 in Detroit?
It’s basically new hire on the 900 too. Nov 27 hire. with a very similar seniority distribution as NYC on the FO side.
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:20 PM
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I can give some perspective here as Im sure many others can too. When I was a young naive flight instructor back in the day I was living in Phoenix. I had a Mesa recruiter telling me how great it would be to be based in Phoenix and live in Phoenix. I spent three years commuting to CLT, IAD, and ORD and never had the seniority to hold PHX. I got furloughed before I ever held it.
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumyum View Post
Kool-Aid is strong in this one. He makes some valid points about gains...but never been treated poorly? FNG?
I’m willing to bet that you have a better chance at Delta if you go to PSA/Envoy or any non Delta feed. Don’t bite (hire) the hand that feeds you.


Plus you have a flow as a back up plan should you get stuck.
There is no evidence that Delta is intentionally trying to prevent 9E pilots from going to mainline. Pilots not getting on at Delta means they are more likely to put in for other places. The interview and job program isn't just a recruitment tool, it's a retention tool too. Not hiring pilots would destroy the value of it.

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They pale in comparison to American's
I guess from a regional perspective they might be good, but I'd hate to look at an entire career of always having to set an alarm to check in for a flight because that determines my priority. Between that and the senior guys at AA mainline apparently trying to change the jumpseat to be seniority based sounds like a much more stressful lifestyle to me.
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Old 03-16-2018, 03:39 AM
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You people complain too much.. If you don't like it here, then leave. Reserve life is reserve life. It is what it is. I sat reserve for 5.5 months, and it was not bad at all. I had a great time hanging out with other 9E and DL pilots. Take advantage of your time in NYC.. There are so many things you can do in the city instead of sitting in your crashpad all day. Be thankful you have a job.
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AimHigh1 View Post
You people complain too much.. If you don't like it here, then leave. Reserve life is reserve life. It is what it is. I sat reserve for 5.5 months, and it was not bad at all. I had a great time hanging out with other 9E and DL pilots. Take advantage of your time in NYC.. There are so many things you can do in the city instead of sitting in your crashpad all day. Be thankful you have a job.
Amen. There are those that stuck it out in the industry before, during, and after 9/11 for $19/hr FO pay. There are those that waited 10 years to upgrade on the Saab! So just take a deep breath and muster up some paitence. Just because you grew up with the instant gratification of the internet doesn't give you a free pass on having paitence.
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AimHigh1 View Post
You people complain too much.. If you don't like it here, then leave. Reserve life is reserve life. It is what it is. I sat reserve for 5.5 months, and it was not bad at all. I had a great time hanging out with other 9E and DL pilots. Take advantage of your time in NYC.. There are so many things you can do in the city instead of sitting in your crashpad all day. Be thankful you have a job.
There ya go. I would've killed to have a flying job in 2008. Better times mean better opportunities, not perfect ones.

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Old 03-17-2018, 05:31 AM
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I know most people hate the whole "I had to walk uphill both way's in the snow to school" stories. But allow me to tell mine

When my first airline went out of business I was out of airline flying for 2 years. Every regional at the time was using a "pay to play" model.

Pilots had to pay $10,000 for a "training" contract in order to get hired.
This was not an option for me. I went back to charter/flight instructing and finally got hired at XJ.

It is all about perspective.

This is certainly a good time to get hired.
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Old 03-17-2018, 04:53 PM
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The only people who hate such a story are those who never had to live it and don’t understand it.

It is INDEED a great time to be getting hired. And getting better. Those of us who started in the past 2-3 years are very fortunate to not have had to live thru the post-911 BS. I’m very thankful for my timing, and for the good health to get to enjoy living my dream!

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I know most people hate the whole "I had to walk uphill both way's in the snow to school" stories. But allow me to tell mine

When my first airline went out of business I was out of airline flying for 2 years. Every regional at the time was using a "pay to play" model.

Pilots had to pay $10,000 for a "training" contract in order to get hired.
This was not an option for me. I went back to charter/flight instructing and finally got hired at XJ.

It is all about perspective.

This is certainly a good time to get hired.
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Old 03-17-2018, 05:32 PM
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It's important to remember those times so that we continue to demand better for ourselves and never again allow working conditions to be so abusive of pilots.
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Old 04-07-2018, 10:28 AM
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Default The punitive culture

The very punitive culture still exsists. A lot of people are getting called by the so called Chief Pilots and being questioned about everything. Those days were supposed to be behind this company but they are not. Abuse of FAR117 is also becoming an issue but you will be called into to explain yourself. So far, I am dissappointed here. Yes, I can leave OR fight to make it better. Without a flow, there really isn’t a reason to come here. The three wholly owned all need pilots and in the very least you’ll get something for the work you do.

Please make sure you know what you’re trying to accomplish by joining a regional. They are the same with poor work rules, mostly, but you’ll get to a major at the end of the abusing years. Direct Entry Captains now at Envoy.
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