Pinnacle Changes Name to Endeavor
06-28-2013 | 04:56 AM
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06-28-2013 | 05:02 AM
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Yes it was. 9E was so understaffed, Menke cancelled the BOS flying for US Airways Express to better staff the rest of the operation with those pilots. Delta shouldn't pay for incompetence and reshuffling their competition. They agrees to lay training costs, but for pilots going TO the Delta Connection banner. Not to their competitor. Sorry, but it was 9Es managament and the SLI award with it's conditions that screwed 9E into BK.
06-28-2013 | 06:00 AM
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Pinnacle drove itself into bankruptcy through mismanagement. Stop blaming Delta. Why should Delta pay to retrain BOS-based Colgan pilots flying US Airways Express aircraft to go fly a Q400 aircraft for United Express? Delta has no interest in paying to keep their competition going.
Latest rumor from a trusted source is the Colgan pilots are coming to ruin your seniority at VA Shy.
Ooga Booga here come the Colgan pilots!
06-28-2013 | 06:02 AM
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Therefore he (and Delta senior management) must subscribe to the theory of "Future Sunk Costs" because they are pouring $$$ into transferring HQ locations, preparing for new aircraft, running 900 sims in Montreal, St. Louis, and MSP simultaneously. They are paying a lot of pilots to sit and wait rather then furlough. They are either spending like a drunken sailor or know something we don't know.
"It isn't what you don't know that will [affect] hurt you; it's what you don't know "that you don't know" that will." And Shy - you don't know.
06-28-2013 | 06:15 AM
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http://www.na-businesspress.com/JABE/ShraderWeb.pdf
Therefore he (and Delta senior management) must subscribe to the theory of "Future Sunk Costs" because they are pouring $$$ into transferring HQ locations, preparing for new aircraft, running 900 sims in Montreal, St. Louis, and MSP simultaneously. They are paying a lot of pilots to sit and wait rather then furlough. They are either spending like a drunken sailor or know something we don't know.
"It isn't what you don't know that will [affect] hurt you; it's what you don't know "that you don't know" that will." And Shy - you don't know.
Therefore he (and Delta senior management) must subscribe to the theory of "Future Sunk Costs" because they are pouring $$$ into transferring HQ locations, preparing for new aircraft, running 900 sims in Montreal, St. Louis, and MSP simultaneously. They are paying a lot of pilots to sit and wait rather then furlough. They are either spending like a drunken sailor or know something we don't know.
"It isn't what you don't know that will [affect] hurt you; it's what you don't know "that you don't know" that will." And Shy - you don't know.
06-28-2013 | 06:33 AM
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You are the one that is clueless. When Pinnacle purchased Colgan, Anderson was still NWA and there was no NWA-Delta hookup. 9E was then screwed when Phil T grew Colgan with Qs (non-union of course) while 9E pilots took downgrades and displacements. Phil T underbid the Q contracts. Next, to get his foot in the door with Delta, Phil T underbid 16 CRJ-900s with Delta in ATL. Anderson did NOTHING here. Then, several years later, 9E corp bought Mesaba with a 'sweetened' deal by Delta. Another dumb move, XJ was already shrinking and parking their entire Saab fleet. 3 dozen planes to be removed and they still bought them. A smarter management wouldn't have. SkyWest, for example: they did not touch Pinnacle or Mesaba. So now 9E had a bunch of Saabs being parked and a bunch of pilots who needed left seats and right seats in RJs. Huge problem, because they are XJ and 9E was still 9E. How's that operational certificate thing coming? Oh yeah that was totally screwed up, and I suppose that's Anderson's fault too? I remember when the SLI came out and it was *literally* every man bid and get whatever you want. ***. They didn't even have an operational merger (fenced vs unfenced) and yet guys are already bidding off the Saabs and Qs into CRJ900s. Another dumb mistake, allowed by the JCBA, and the union went with it. 9E went into BK because of many other screw-ups, all those mentioned above. Delta not paying a contractual fee (because again, 9E was misappropriating training meant for DCI pilots) was only one small reason in the overall picture.
You had a choice, you could have voted no. Gumm isn't there to ensure 9E's long term survival. He has a precedence of going to places to shut them down.
You had a choice, you could have voted no. Gumm isn't there to ensure 9E's long term survival. He has a precedence of going to places to shut them down.
This web was spun over a bottle cognac and cigars.
Anderson knew exactly the state of 9E when he sold XJ to them. And delta even gave them self financing. Delta also knew how many of which kinds of aircraft they would be keeping. Then Phil T bolts with his golden parachute right after the merger.
Pinnacle is too perfect now. All of the back office systems are Delta, a sweetheart headquarters deal, and all of the labor groups are squashed. They have turned 9E into a lean money making machine. All other regional managements envy Pinnacle.
This was a Richard Anderson masterpiece.
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06-28-2013 | 08:30 AM
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Just thinking. Is ShyGuy really at VA? Maybe he is still at Pinnacle and still disgruntled!
06-28-2013 | 10:12 AM
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You're clueless Shy.
The Pinnacle-Mesaba-Colgan debacle was well orchestrated by one of the best in the business: Richard Anderson.
This was a play to create a subset of Delta to lower costs and create a buffer of pilots.
We were put through a brutal bankruptcy and a direct threat from Anderson that we will sign or go out of business.
Well it worked. Anderson is ruthlessly efficient at what he does. If Delta pilots have trouble keeping up with his maneuvering, do you think we really had a chance?
Look over there Shy, a Colgan guy. Go kick him!
The Pinnacle-Mesaba-Colgan debacle was well orchestrated by one of the best in the business: Richard Anderson.
This was a play to create a subset of Delta to lower costs and create a buffer of pilots.
We were put through a brutal bankruptcy and a direct threat from Anderson that we will sign or go out of business.
Well it worked. Anderson is ruthlessly efficient at what he does. If Delta pilots have trouble keeping up with his maneuvering, do you think we really had a chance?
Look over there Shy, a Colgan guy. Go kick him!
One reason our ALPA negotiators were negotiating with DL management, and not Pinnacle mgmt.
06-28-2013 | 10:13 AM
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