All the fo's that I fly with are second-guessing the decision to come here. Every pilot that I talk with says that a flow is on the top of the list of the things they would like to see in the near future. Several of the new hires are giving it a window of 1 year and if a solid career progression (flow) is not in place they will bail.

04-18-2017 | 01:17 PM

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prex8390

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Is American really the bees knees of majors?

04-18-2017 | 01:18 PM

#12933

FODhopper

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Quote:

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Is American really the bees knees of majors?

NO

Filler,

04-18-2017 | 01:30 PM

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Kforekyle

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Is American really the bees knees of majors?

Maybe,maybe not. They do have enough loyalty towards their Wo's to bring them on board. All in all I kinda like that.

04-18-2017 | 01:32 PM

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Two Kings

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Is American really the bees knees of majors?

They have the worst contract when it comes to compensation of the theee legacies right now. Their fault for signing theirs first and not having a "me too" clause though.

04-18-2017 | 01:34 PM

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If you want to get to Delta, you're still better off at an AA wholly owned. At least with the current market. Look at the OTS hire rate of 9E pilots. It's almost nil, because they'd rather poach other carriers. You are more likely to get into Delta OTS from an AA regional than you are from 9E.

04-18-2017 | 01:43 PM

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I'd encourage anyone with ambitions to be a major airline pilot to go with the flow. You can always pursue other majors while waiting your call from AA. No-brainer.

And if guys do for a couple classes, Delta would finally do something for you here.

You guys are probably 2 months of nearly empty classes for retention overhaul, 2 additional months for a flow.

04-18-2017 | 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kforekyle

To each their own. Not sure if anyone else follows Gary Vaynerchuk, but he's got some pretty sound - albeit colorful - advice. Take 2 minutes and watch this:

https://www.facebook.com/gary/videos/10155199677323350/

Pretty much sums up what you'll read on any of these forums. I'm one of those recent lateral moves and I'll never question my decision to come here.

04-18-2017 | 01:48 PM

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The other thing nobody want to talk about is our looming pay cut. If you credit less than 85 hours per month, the current proposal from our negotiating committee is no retention payment and a $19 per hour raise. There are a lot of people sitting reserve that can't credit over guarantee without giving up precious few days off and many people don't want to live at work.

This place was getting a lot better, but I don't know about the direction it's going. I can't in good conscience give out recommendations when there are places offering better. $2000 isn't worth selling my soul for the company's benefit when there's better deals out there for career progression.

04-18-2017 | 01:52 PM

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Green Needles

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And if guys do for a couple classes, Delta would finally do something for you here.

You guys are probably 2 months of nearly empty classes for retention overhaul, 2 additional months for a flow.

^^^^^^^ This. They won't do anything until the market forces them.