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09-29-2017, 12:06 PM

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Dorp

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09-29-2017, 12:08 PM

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Kforekyle

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Originally Posted by SirLurksalot

You speak like you know the details

I will have to wait too. All I know is that career progression is not in there.

09-29-2017, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorp

My point exactly..

Signed,

Perpetually disappointed optimist

I think what everyone needs to remember that is not about flow and never was.

This is about turning a temporary bonus into permanent hourly wages.

Luckily they are making other contract changes to our benefit in exchange for changing our amendable date.

If there are enough good things in it to buy an extended amendable date, then its a good deal.

Delta will give a flow only when they decide they want a flow. Any forcing of the issue is counterproductive.

09-29-2017, 12:10 PM

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jaxthepilot

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Originally Posted by Dorp

^^^^ Forecast for this thread for the near future.

09-29-2017, 12:11 PM

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Mesabah

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Originally Posted by SirLurksalot

You speak like you know the details

The reps can tell you what's not in it, but they can't tell you what's in it, yet.

09-29-2017, 12:11 PM

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SirLurksalot

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Originally Posted by Kforekyle

I will have to wait too. All I know is that career progression is not in there.

How do you know?

09-29-2017, 12:11 PM

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Dorp

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

A flow is something that must be gifted by the mainline pilots of Delta to us. There is no way to strong arm them into it. The AA flow is a mainline contractual agreement with APA, dating back to the early 90's. The Mesaba flow was something the NWA mainline pilots extended to us, as a provision of operating 76 seat jets. Do you think Delta pilots are going to spend negotiating capital on us getting a flow?

Ok let me replace "strongarm" with "continuous 'no' votes until they agree to a flow"

09-29-2017, 12:12 PM

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Aviationslave

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I think without career progression it's foolish to vote yes. We are taking about a multimillion dollar retirement VS an extra 5 grand a year. Vote no

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09-29-2017, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

So your saying that if they didn't give mesaba 900s without a flow, you would not have accepted the planes? I think you're mistaken about the pilots willing us a flow. Market is what dictates a company's need to give and take. Market determines all of that. Not the stupid pilots. If that were the case, why even have management? Just let the pilots run the thing.

09-29-2017, 12:14 PM

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Mesabah

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Originally Posted by Bartok

Delta will give a flow only when they decide they want a flow. Any forcing of the issue is counterproductive.

That's what many don't understand, a flow is NOT a career progression item, it is a furlough protection for mainline pilots. The ONLY time we will see a flow is if mainline Delta is on the verge of furloughing pilots.