Originally Posted by PapaMike

30.00 an hour to start plus 3-10k in completion of training bonus, plus 20k in retention for a first year FO. Could anyone have imagined such a thing 18 months ago?

That is potentially 60 grand for a new hire at a regional. Until recently you couldn't even expect that at a major carrier.

Year two is 35 per hour plus 23 in retention. With the soft pay credits in this TA and the rest of the JCBA that will be over 60 grand for the year.

Then they upgrade to 90+ a year not accounting for any other gains over the next 3 years.

150% for all credit over 85 when you enable max line range and 150% for all pick ups coupled with there being more available trips to add from going forward.

The ability to effectively bid P2 reserve and not have to commute in until around noon on day one.

7 hours extra credit per week of vacation. Senior pilots equate to 21-28 extra hours of pay for the year. Call it a 2-3% gain

DHD pay won't amount to much but it's still probably a percent or two gain.

Sure, we all would love to make a million a year but you have to be somewhat reasonable. The worst thing that could happen is this doesn't do the trick of getting enough people in the door and they have to go back to the table and add to it.

Be realistic and understand that most new pilots hired won't see more than 5 years at the company. If you want to attract them why in the world would you focus your efforts specifically at anything above 5 years? Even with that said this appears to be a win for everyone on property.

Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason

So, Milk is complaining about his fellow pilots actually getting called to work while on reserve? If a pilot is on staff at an airline, assigned reserve and the airline picks up flying for another airline, then calls that pilot's number to fly - how is that a bad thing?

Originally Posted by Jamis81

PQ 900's (originally purchased by Pinnacle) were subleased to ExpressJet/Skywest, for a period of 3-5 years (I can't remember which). The 200's including the 2 that had XJ tail #'s were owned by delta and I believe still are.

Originally Posted by Avroman

All of the 36 (901-937 excepted 911) original XJ 900 ( and the 5 LR tail numbers too ) and the 2 (601,602) XJ 200 are still at Endeavor (never left during the Mesaba merger)

Originally Posted by TalkTurkey

Wrong. Both 601 and 602XJs are at OO

Originally Posted by Avroman

Then that is fairly recent (in the last year) 601 was one my last flights before returning to the 900 fleet.

Originally Posted by RightSide

Union update,

The MEC will travel to the Minneapolis ALPA Office tomorrow, December 11, for a Special Meeting. The Negotiating Committee expects to complete its work with the company on a tentative agreement regarding the Mutual Benefit Package that has been under development for the past several months. Included in this package are:

· Restoration of 150% premium pay for all open time
· 100% deadhead pay
· Increase in vacation pay from 2.5 hours per day to 3.5 hours per day
· Premium pay for pilots enabling Max Line Range
· Parking stipend for commuters
· Company paid hotel room for pilots rescheduled to overnight in their domicile
· Improved early release provisions for reserves
· Reserve ability to commute during the call out period on the first day of a reserve sequence
· Reserve pilot waiver of domicile rest to allow last day super seniority for RRA
· Earlier bid timelines for line pilots and FTIs
· Ability for pilots to convert an end of trip deadhead to domicile to a deadhead home
· Increase in open time to alleviate or eliminate PBS credit push
· Increase in pilot retention payments

In exchange, pilots would report 15 minutes earlier in outstations, and the company would have the ability to withhold a limited number of pairings from bidding to accomplish OE flying. The company would also increase first year First Officer wages and offer a completion of training bonus to new pilots in order to ensure the staffing necessary to support the growth plan upon which this package is based. Watch for further updates from the MEC as they meet this weekend.

Originally Posted by vilcas

Don't get insulted if you are an FO making 4 year cap pay. Attracting New hire pilots gets you to 8 year CA pay which is much higher than any 8 year FO pay would ever be. I realize that what has happened in the industry over the last 10 years has left a bitter taste in everyone's mouth but let's focus on the future. The future is lots of movement to the majors and getting the Regional FO longevity back down to under three years. If we give a New Hire a 10k bonus and it means an 8 year capped FO gets a 40k raise isn't that the kind of deal you would want. If your position is screw the upgrade let this place shut its doors then you should just move on to somewhere else and get out of the way since you don't care about the success of Endeavor anyway. Bottom line keep things in perspective. Endeavor is now a growing airline.

Originally Posted by Avroman

Until the next time that plans don't work and you find yourself a 9 year captain downgraded at 4 year fo pay (and unable to pay the bills thanks to that) If there is true growth, there could be 100 year FO pay, it shouldn't matter... During the bankruptcy, the company fought hard for the 12/4 cap for a reason (they knew that 90% of FOs were about to be over that 4 year cap)....If this growth is true, there should be no reason NOT to restore the 8 year FO scale.