Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
12-13-2015 | 03:33 PM
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From: FIRE ALPA
Don't get insulted if you are an FO making 4 year cap pay. Attracting New hire pilots gets you to 8 year CA pay which is much higher than any 8 year FO pay would ever be. I realize that what has happened in the industry over the last 10 years has left a bitter taste in everyone's mouth but let's focus on the future. The future is lots of movement to the majors and getting the Regional FO longevity back down to under three years. If we give a New Hire a 10k bonus and it means an 8 year capped FO gets a 40k raise isn't that the kind of deal you would want. If your position is screw the upgrade let this place shut its doors then you should just move on to somewhere else and get out of the way since you don't care about the success of Endeavor anyway. Bottom line keep things in perspective. Endeavor is now a growing airline.
12-13-2015 | 03:44 PM
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From: 737 FO
Until the next time that plans don't work and you find yourself a 9 year captain downgraded at 4 year fo pay (and unable to pay the bills thanks to that) If there is true growth, there could be 100 year FO pay, it shouldn't matter... During the bankruptcy, the company fought hard for the 12/4 cap for a reason (they knew that 90% of FOs were about to be over that 4 year cap)....If this growth is true, there should be no reason NOT to restore the 8 year FO scale.
12-13-2015 | 03:55 PM
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12-13-2015 | 04:01 PM
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It's a bad deal because it doesn't benefit the ENTIRE PILOT GROUP. Tell me how it does ? Why should we give a rats arse about first year pay? That's has absolutely zero weight. ALPA keeps forgetting about the ten year pilots that are still on reserve. The reserve enhancements are irrelevant. Reserve thresholds continue to be outrageous, ready reserve is still the biggest waste of time. This new TA hits all the senior pilots that are still on reserve right in the nsack.
This thing really does have something in it for everyone. I'm thankful for anything that comes our way.
12-13-2015 | 04:11 PM
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I am tired of the " you chose to be a reserve" argument... Perhaps if FO pay were liveable to support a family, I could buy it, but that's just not the case as a sole income for a family here (or any regional) so it's not a choice to stay an FO and support a family in any base in our system.
12-13-2015 | 04:19 PM
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From: 757 FO
I wish that was true. I saw 601XJ and 602XJ in MSP with "operated by Skywest" on the side of the plane. But yeah, the rest of the original XJ 900's are for sure still here.
12-13-2015 | 05:07 PM
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Until the next time that plans don't work and you find yourself a 9 year captain downgraded at 4 year fo pay (and unable to pay the bills thanks to that) If there is true growth, there could be 100 year FO pay, it shouldn't matter... During the bankruptcy, the company fought hard for the 12/4 cap for a reason (they knew that 90% of FOs were about to be over that 4 year cap)....If this growth is true, there should be no reason NOT to restore the 8 year FO scale.
This!!!!!
12-13-2015 | 05:20 PM
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One of five? Are you lost? Good grief talk about a clueless misinformed weasel. Like Avro said, pay my damn bills and I will downgrade in a nanosecond. Honestly.. Know your facts before you make stupid comments.
12-13-2015 | 06:04 PM
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12-13-2015 | 06:18 PM
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From: LR-35 FO
Hey guys, couple questions:
1. How long are new hires on reserve?
2. Any fleet expansion taking place?
3. Is 3-4 year upgrade realistic?
4. Does Delta have any plans to make a flow agreement in the future or if not is that a likely scenario?
1. How long are new hires on reserve?
2. Any fleet expansion taking place?
3. Is 3-4 year upgrade realistic?
4. Does Delta have any plans to make a flow agreement in the future or if not is that a likely scenario?
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